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Off-duty cop kills man in bar fight

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by funnybone, Mar 10, 2008.

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  1. funnybone

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    Just goes to show that Firearms and Alcohol do not mix.
     
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    I'd amend that statement to say that "firearms and whackos do not mix" ;)

    I still remember when the Daily Show mocked AZ for trying to allow guns in bars... The skit they did was pretty amusing. Had Colbert shooting a silhouette with a .38 snub, missing a lot. The he started drinking a lot of booze, and came back to the firing line holding a SPAS-12 or something, and blew the target to shreds! :)
     
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    >>Just goes to show that Firearms and Alcohol do not mix.

    I agree but, I've been plenty drunk and it's never occurred to me to start shooting people.
     
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    Not all the facts are known yet so...

    I'll withhold comments until ALL the facts are in.

    One side of a story is just that... one side. I read that the police officer had to go to the hospital to get stitches in his head. Darn unlikely that he sustained those injuries after shots were fired. If, has he said, he was attacked by several people, he might not have had any choice but to draw and fire his weapon.

    :uhoh:

    Right now we don't know enough of the details to say what happened.

    :barf:
     
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    good point
     
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    I read this recently and thought I had seen a lot more detail. Don't count on anything from the LA Times.....

    So, here it is:


    http://www.pe.com/localnews/temecula/stories/PE_News_Local_D_shooting10.38a622d.html
     
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    Yeah, the second report almost sounds like self defense.

    Hard to tell still.
     
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    Ayoob tells a similar story in his book, Gravest Extreme. In the book the people that were shot ended up suing the city and the officer.
     
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    This is so BS on both sides. The officer knowing the law shouldn't have a firearm while drinking alcohol, it's a misterminor to do so and a felony to operate and or shot someone while under the influence, if I remember well from watching the show "Cops". Neeedless to say the officer shouldn't have had the weapon on his person while he had alcohol in his system.

    Now to tell the other side of my opinion...

    I can't see why the "group" (undetermined number) of men decided it would be a good idea to assault a man that just told them "Hey I am a cop". then again alcohol was involed and does impair judgement.


    Also I have to agree with curry there should have and should be, from now on, more officers in the area until AFTER the bars close. I mean c'mon we here in New Hampshire have Motor-cycle week and weekend, and when that happens it cop city galore until the bars are closed, just for the sake of this same kinda BS incident that could have been, helped to be, avoided.

    In closing....

    Alcohol and firearms don't mix and firearms and idiots don't mix. all to true statements.

    point in case don't bring firearms to a bar you idiot.
     
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    Sounds like a group of men thought they were going to stomp a lone dude and got a lot more than they could handle.

    I don't see how being in a bar and having a drink factors into this at all. It's legal to carry in bars here in Oregon and people carry and drink (moderately) all the time without incident.

    Just because a man has a couple drinks doesn't mean he suddenly becomes an irresponsible lunatic.

    I just don't see how having a drink/being in a bar/partying with your friends means you should loose the right to bear arms. If he wasn't being assaulted and he really did just "start shooting wildly" string him up, but based upon the officers trip to the hospital to get stitches I'd bet this shoot was justified.
     
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    and if it turns out that the cop wasnt drinking or had only had one drink... and the shooting was justified then what?

    oh hell, even if he were trashed, what if his actions stopped a robbery, rape or other such crime?

    i know if im at home and drinking and the SHTF, ill shoot and worry about the BAC% later... my state makes it illegal to carry at any place that serves alcohol so i couldnt drink while out and about... but strangely enough, its only illegal to conceal while under the influence, open carry is not addressed...

    and even more so, we still do not have any hard evidence that the cop was indeed drinking or drunk... well if you coult news statements from the dead guys friends who were probably part of the altercation and mom(who probably wasnt there)

    as a LEO, the IAB will damn sure find out what happened, and i would bet that he was forced to submit to a BAC test that evening
     
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    Not so sure that it's a misdemeanor in California. But again gun's and alcohol don't mix. At the very least during the pending law suits the shooters sobriety will have an effect on the outcome.
     
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    Huh?

    Maybe I'm missing something, but the only reporting that states the cop was drunk was WorldNetDaily (and if you rely on WND for accurate and balanced news stories ... well, good luck with that).

    He was in a Mexican restaurant. Celebrating his girlfriend's birthday.

    Yeah, he may have thrown down a couple Dos Equis. But wait 'til the facts come out, folks.

    That's right, only the criminals should bring their guns to bars.
     
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    As Old Dog says, the only direct evidence presented is that he was in a "restaurant" celebrating his girlfriends's birthday. There has been not evidence brought forward that says that he was drinking. LEO are permitted to carry in bars! Whether you like it or not that is one of the privileges they have over us normal joes!
     
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    So what the cop gets a pass just because he is a cop?
     
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    Some departments require their officers to carry off-duty.
     
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    Erik, maybe you should have reread to post immediately prior to yours before posting.
     
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    Apparently mexican food and firearms don't mix (was he even drinking)? Also, if you choose to have a beer with dinner leave your firearm in your vehicle where it can get stolen, criminals only attack people who haven't had anything to drink and NEVER hit restaurants or bars. :uhoh:
     
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    right from the vid clip from a witness perhaps you did not heat the word drunken Mad Chemist. I beleive they may cary in bars so long as they are not drinking, but please correct me if I am wrong here.
     
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    Depends on the particular regulations under which they are carrying. My understanding is that some jurisdictions only prohibit excessive drinking while carrying a weapon.

    There are too few facts in evidence to figure out what happened beyond 1) there was a fight, 2) a cop was involved and 3) the cop shot some of the participants. There are quite a few scenarios in which the only thing the cop did wrong in this situation was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Further facts will need to come to light before a reasoned opinion can be supported.
     
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    Who's saying he gets a pass?

    And, well, Eric, ya think it's at all possible that the only witness who referred to the cop as drunk just might've been a friend or acquaintance of the group of men who were beating on the cop?

    An off-duty Costa Mesa police officer opened fire on a group of men who were beating him outside the Bank of Mexican Food restaurant at the corner of Old Town Front and Main streets about 7:20 p.m., said Riverside County sheriff's spokesman Deputy Craig Roberts.

    The man identified himself as a police officer at some point before he opened fire, Roberts said, but apparently that did not deter the men, who were attacking him and might even have struck him with a chair.

    In some states, you can carry concealed in bars ... even, shockingly enough, as a private citizen. At any rate, I've no problem whatsoever with any California cops packin' in bars, 'cause all the criminals down there are packin' in the bars, too. You see, Eric, the bad guys aren't like you and me -- they don't obey those pesky little laws. Now, if you're in the saloon when Stupid 1 and Stupid 2 pull out their heaters and start waving 'em around, or worse, shootin' 'em 'cause they're POed at each other over some biker chick or a pool game, do you want all the good guys to be unarmed?
     
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    One of the first things I was told by a seasoned cop when I started was if you are going to drink, put the guns away. If you are going to an event where alcohol is present and you pack you better make damn sure you are not drinking, not even one beer period. As an armed off duty officer you should never put yourself in a position to be tactically disadvantaged and drinking does just that. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out but the cop begins in a bad spot if he was consuming alcohol.
     
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