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Officers Acquitted In Sean Bell Shooting!!!

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  1. MarcusWendt

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    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89937894&ft=1&f=1001

    NPR.org, April 25, 2008 · A New York judge has found three police officers not guilty in the death of an unarmed black man who was hit by a barrage of bullets and died hours before his wedding.

    Justice Arthur Cooperman cleared two officers of manslaughter and other charges and a third of reckless endangerment in the death of Sean Bell, 23. Along with two friends, Bell was shot after a bachelor party at a Queens strip club on Nov. 25, 2006. Bullets struck Bell 50 times.

    The case has generated outrage in New York's black community. A crowd of at least 200 people gathered outside the building, waiting for news of a verdict. Some wore buttons with Bell's picture or held signs saying "Justice for Sean Bell."

    Dozens of people in the crowd began crying after hearing the verdict.

    Defense attorneys painted the victims as drunken and unruly and asserted that officers had reason to believe they were armed and dangerous. Prosecutors tried to convince the judge that the officers were inept and trigger-happy.

    None of the officers took the witness stand in his own defense. Instead, Cooperman heard transcripts of the officers testifying before a grand jury, saying they believed they had good reason to use deadly force.

    The judge told the court that the police officers' version of events was more credible than the victims' version, and that prosecutors had not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the shootings were unjustified.

    Mayor Bloomberg released a statement immediately saying there were no winners in this trial, given the loss to Bell's family and fiancee. Bell's family and community activist Al Sharpon have not yet addressed the media.
     
  2. buzz_knox

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    Given that one of the "witnesses" (a friend of the groom's) apparently admitted to lying in order to frame the cops, this isn't a surprise.
     
  3. HOME DEPOT GEORGE

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    Has the rioting started yet?
     
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    Hmmm...an unarmed man shot 50 times by police. I am usually opposed to ANYTHING that Al (Tawana Brawly, sp)Sharpton is involved in but 50 times!
     
  5. Chipperman

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    He was in a moving vehicle.
     
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    I posted this elsewhere with the title, "The Fix Was In."

     
  7. ByAnyMeans

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    There are a lot of different angles that have to be considered from a "moving vehicle" and "witness stating he lied to set up the cops" to the other side of it with "50" shots fired. Ultimately a judge with all the evidence made a decision based on the law. It's not going to be a popular one and he seems to have made a tough call given the implicatons it may have for the city and his career. It's good in the days of activist judges to see one make an unpopular decision based on evidence and rule of law. NO the rioting has not started although there have been a few skirmishes on Queens Blvd. outside the courthouse and down the street. there is no major problems yet and they may be avoided. That being said both 12 gauges shall be loaded for a few days as oppossed to one.


    *what FIX, given the state of NYC and the calls for the cops heads the fix would be to find them guilty no matter what which did not happen.
     
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    just curious, what kind of gun was he shooting? 50 shots is a lot for a hand gun; how many times did he re-load?
     
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    Did anyone expect this to turn out differently?
     
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    Mojohand - the 50 shots were between all of the officers. They had standard-issue Glocks, but one of the cops ran his dry and reloaded, for a total of 30 or so rounds just by himself.
     
  11. Sergeant Sabre

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    When you have a few cops shooting, the round-count goes up in a hurry. If you stress-fire and just lay on the trigger as fast as they can (as many people do in a :what: situation), you can zip off ten rounds in a real big hurry. Two or three, or a team of four or five police can rack up a lot of rounds in a matter of an average two or three second shootout.

    I hate it when the round-count is used by media types and the public as evidence of an unjustified shooting. The round-count simply is not evidence.
     
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/police_shooting
    NYPD standard issue is a 9mm Glock. Anyone know what their duty ammo is? Might be time for an upgrade. Was Guzman in the car? If so, glass or metal could've affected the bullet.

    Either way... shot placement rules all.
     
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    Jerkface: I think it depends who you talk to. Many people who could (I belive) look at the situation rationally felt it would go this way but there are many people where I live guided by emotion and a close connection ( the strip club is a 15 minute drive from where I live) that feel that these officers should have been convictyed of murder. You then throw in the racebaiters who use the tragedy for their own purposes telling everyone that it was murder etc. etc and you have alot of different opinions.



    Duty ammo is 124 gr +p gold dots,
    Some officers were carrying Sig Sauers
     
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    Well it would explain the REAL reason the polizei are goose-stepping in full battle gear and dogs in the subways and train stations.
    I'm betting they anticipated an unpopular verdict.
     
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    Yuo can see that same stuff by the cops in the subways and trains any other day of the week. The may use the verdict as an excuse but I see the Hercules teams swarming all the time no matter what court case is going on.
     
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    Nothing like a nice unbiased opinion. :neener:
     
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    Sergeant - I don't think the issue was so much the round count in and of itself - it was that to reach that round count, one of the officers emptied his gun and reloaded, and proceeded to run it dry again without bothering to re-evaluate his situation.
     
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    +1 Kingpin008
    no threat reassessment (although to be fair, to some here a single shot would be all they need to seek murder charges)
     
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    Michael Oliver fired 31 shots?? He reload for crying out loud. Good lord.

    50 seems pretty excessive.

    Are you sure? Hmph.


    -T.

    EDIT: I see the reload was already mentioned. But still. Gaaa.
     
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    I think that the fact that the police officers waived their right to a jury and had just a judge (someone else involved in the so-called "criminal-justice" system) hear their case shows that they expected a more sympathetic verdict than a trial by the People.

    Sean Bell was murdered by the pigs and they got away with it again. How do all of the people on this board who decry the erosion of civil liberties by government forces not see this as related to your RKBA struggle?

    First, agents of the government murder young men and get away with it. Then they increase the police presence in the streets, subway, etc. to quell any sort of uprising that might happen (and they have good reason to fear: everyone in the city knows they've just got away with murder again).

    Eventually, if the situation did escalate, they could come for your guns/other liberties. It's all in the same chain of events that history has shown again and again.

    The pigs killed Sean Bell.

    Josh
     
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    Round count doesn't matter? Try to justify shooting an intruder in your home with 2 magazines. You will be in for a very bad day in court.
     
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    This thread should be closed IMO. Not High Road.
     
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    Josh - please remember where you are. I think we can all appreciate the...one-sidedness of this situation, but THR isn't the place for statements likes that.
     
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    Referring to law enforcement officers as "pigs" is definitely not high road. Were you at the shooting? Were you in the court for all presentation of evidence? Maybe if your butt were out there on the line at 4 a.m. and facing danger you would have a better understanding of what happened.

    I was not present at the shooting, I was not present in the court. I really do not know if this verdict is fair. Although it has it's share of warts and problems, we have to let our court system function and respect it. If there is evidence indicating injustice, we work to fix it the best we can.

    If you are that hostile toward people in law enforcement, next time you need assistance, try calling someone else.
     
  25. MASTEROFMALICE

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    KKK? Wasn't one of the officers black?

    I didn't know the Klan was trying to diversify!
     
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