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Official: Illinois becomes last State in the nation to have Concealed Carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Jul 9, 2013.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

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    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2...es-gun-bill/CINXp1PnFpNy0OYTWKLhSJ/story.html




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  2. carpboy

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    Congrats to all those in Ill who worked so hard to make this happen.There is still much work to be done.All 50 states and DC need to go Shall Issue or Constitutional Carry.
     
  3. Archaic

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    Now its time to go after NYC and free them from oppression.
     
  4. Midwest

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    Congratulations to our friends in Illinois. Obviously more information will be forthcoming on whether Illinois will have reciprocation with other states. Also note the 16 hours of training required. So they would need a FOID (Firearms Owners ID Card) as well as the Conceal Carry Permit in their possession.

    More on this ...

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/07/09/illinois-enacts-concealed-gun-law/2503083/

    "...permits anyone with a Firearm Owner's Identification card who has passed a background check and undergone gun-safety training of 16 hours — longest of any state — to obtain a concealed-carry permit for $150...."

    Maybe once this battle is over we can concentrate on getting carry permits for everyone in NJ,NY,MD,CA,PR and HI.

    Again, congratulations Illinois!
     
  5. BoilerUP

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    ...because the kind of citizens who would get a concealed carry permit are the cause of violence in Chicago...
     
  6. DonP

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    Governor Potato Head's veto easily overridden

    3/5 majority required to over ride.

    The final tally was Illinois Senate: 41 Yea/17 Nay; House 77 Yea/31 Nay.

    Not even close. Quinn looks even more pointless and impotent than usual now.

    Now, 60 days for the Illinois State Police to define training requirements and 180 days from today to have the whole system up and running.

    The rules, straight from the shiny new Illinois State Police website.

    The applicant must:

    - Be at least 21 years of age
    - Have a valid FOID card
    - Have not been convicted or found guilty in this State or any other state of:
    • A misdemeanor involving the use or threat of physical force or violence to any person within the last 5 years.
    • 2 or more violations related to driving while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or compounds, or any combination thereof, within the last 5 years.
    - Not be the subject of a pending arrest warrant, prosecution, or proceeding for an offense or action that could lead to disqualification.
    - Not have been in a residential or court-ordered treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug treatment within the last 5 years.
    - Submit a completed Concealed Carry License Application.
    - Successfully complete 16 hours of firearms training, including classroom and range instruction. (veterans get 8 hours of training credit)


    Our next goal - getting some of the forbidden zones repealed
     
  7. Carl N. Brown

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    Post #5 I hope that was meant to be sarcastic.

    We have carry permits in TN since 1996. When the paper ran stories of gun crimes or reckless acts with guns, I ran the names of the suspects through the handgun carry permit database and got no hits. (the only good use I have seen of that database.)

    The kind of citizens who would not get a concealed carry permit are the cause of violence in Tennessee.

    The kind of citizens who would get a concealed carry permit are not the cause of violence in Tennessee.

    I suspect it will prove true in Chicago as well.
     
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    6 months before applications are available, ISP has 3 months to approve or deny applications, an unreasonable, long list of places you can't carry, so long, that it defeats the purpose of even getting a permit. All this for a $150.00 permit, good for 5 years, plus the cost of a 16 hour training course,(I wonder how much that will be?). Talk about a hollow victory!!!
     
  9. Blackbeard

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    Anyone got a list of the slaughter zones? (i.e. gun-free)
     
  10. usmarine0352_2005

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    It's a start. They can go from there.




    I would bring a lawsuit that said 16 hours of training and $150 is unrealistic for the poor, someone like a single mom who couldn't miss 2 days of work and couldn't afford a $150 fee to exercise a Constitutional right.
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    It depends on the judge that found the previous law to be unconstitutional in the light of Heller and MacDonald.

    While he didn’t have to, he gave the Illinois legislature the opportunity to pass a new law, or amend the one on the books, to remedy his objections. Now that the Illinois government has taken the opportunity to pass this new law the judge will have to decide if those objections have been remedied. If not I suspect he will reject the proposed remedy (law). Otherwise this case will be finished unless someone files an appeal.

    So at this point the case isn't over. For example, some of the overboard requirements to obtain a carry permit might not pass muster in light of what is required elsewhere, and so exceed that permitted under MacDonald, and "reasonable regulation" allowed under Heller.
     
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    I would hope the fees and 16 hours of training would be the first thing that get reduced. The hunter safety course or being a veteran would count for 8 hours of training so that does help some. I am going to take the hunter safety course with my daughter in September just to get the 8 hours training credit. It's free so why not take it plus she needs it to get a hunting license.


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    Everyone complaining, about this: its better than any of the may issue states, and the prohibited places really aren't that much different than what more gun friendly states have. The only thing that's really out of the ordinary is the 16hrs of training.
     
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    Your hope is correct.
     
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    The "Fat Lady" don't sing until they actually ISSUE permits ... don't hold your breath.

    Ask the folks on this board from Maryland about all the permits that have been recently issued there ...
     
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    Let's see if Illinois ever grants reciprocity with other states.
     
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    Now is also a great opportunity to formulate the list of legislators who must be punished.
     
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    Congrats to everyone in IL. As a former resident, I know how long they've been waiting. My only question is will my Texas CHL hold up there when I visit family. It's still unfortunate I can't even buy ammo in that state due to my FOID being expired. I'd love to see that go to the wayside next
     
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    I thought that there was a court ruling in Puerto Rico that was supposed to have the effect of making the island effectively shall-issue. Did that end up getting overturned or kaboshed somehow?
     
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    Still much fighting to do. But this should send a message. I was sitting after work with co-workers who the majority are on the other side. They had no idea this was even happening today. :uhoh:

    While we've been firing off emails and phone calls for weeks. They may talk politics, but they do not act as we have.
     
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    so if Illinois was last, what does that make jersey.. last and a half? Jersey may have a concealed carry law but no normal civilians can carry
     
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    I thought it is still up in the air yet. According to this, PR is still may issue.
    http://www.usacarry.com/puerto_rico_concealed_carry_permit_information.html



    But yet there is this....

    "The Puerto Rico Appellate Case Recognizing a Second Amendment Right to Carry Guns in Public"

    http://www.volokh.com/2011/05/18/th...cond-amendment-right-to-carry-guns-in-public/
     
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    I think NJ, MD and Hawaii are the only states left where ordinary citizens cannot carry. NY and CA do allow conceal carry in certain counties of the state.
     
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    Really, except for the 16 hours (Texas is 10), its not much different than most other states. The defining word is SHALL. Compared to CA, NY, MA, etc., that word is golden.
     
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