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Officials: Radio host's call to kill border crossers dangerous

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  1. Desertdog

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    We, legal gun owners, do not need some nut making these statements on the radio or other mass media. This can hurt our cause very much.


    Officials: Radio host's call to kill border crossers dangerous
    http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4744652


    A Phoenix talk show host who suggested killing border crossers may have intensified racial tensions in the state, two officials wrote in a letter sent Friday to Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin.


    Brian James, a fill-in talk show host with Phoenix AM radio station KFYI, suggested on the air last month that a solution to the immigration problem in Arizona would be to kill illegal immigrants as they cross the border.

    "What we'll do is randomly pick one night every week where we will kill whoever crosses the border," James said in the March 8 broadcast. "Step over there and you die. You get to decide whether it's your lucky night or not. I think that would be more fun."

    He said he would be "happy to sit there with my high-powered rifle and my night scope" and kill people as the cross the border. He also suggested that the National Guard shoot illegal immigrants and receive "$100 a head."

    In a letter to Martin, Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard and U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton called the remarks irresponsible and dangerous.

    "At no time during this hour did Mr. James disavow violence or indicate he was joking," the letter said. "This type of threatening and inciting speech is dangerous and totally irresponsible for anyone, particularly a licensed body using public airways. We are deeply concerned that, given the intensifying conflict over immigration in Arizona, this speech may lead to violence. Tempers are short on both sides, and the situation is highly volatile."

    Goddard and Charlton urged Martin to consider sanctions against KFYI for what they say was an abuse of public airwaves.

    A spokesman with the FCC said he was not yet aware of the letter.

    James did not return calls for comment by late Friday.

    James has been a talk show host in Tampa and Salt Lake City. He is a fill-in host at KFYI and has been on air there twice, said Laurie Cantillo, program manager at the radio station.

    Cantillo did not say whether she was worried about the FCC possibly launching an investigation.

    "It's never happened to me," she said Friday. "But in this case, we're on solid ground. I would look forward to being able to tell KFYI's side of the story."

    "At no time during this hour did Mr. James disavow violence or indicate he was joking," the letter said. "This type of threatening and inciting speech is dangerous and totally irresponsible for anyone, particularly a licensed body using public airways. We are deeply concerned that, given the intensifying conflict over immigration in Arizona, this speech may lead to violence. Tempers are short on both sides, and the situation is highly volatile."


    Goddard and Charlton urged Martin to consider sanctions against KFYI for what they say was an abuse of public airwaves.

    A spokesman with the FCC said he was not yet aware of the letter.

    Cantillo denied that James's comments were dangerous or irresponsible.

    "The comments were made in a satyrical manner and the listeners who heard the full broadcast understand that," she said. "We were having a serious discussion about the immigration issue and it was solution-driven."

    Cantillo said callers had made other suggestions to the immigration problem, including erecting a wall along the border, amnesty and stationing National Guard troops along the border. She could not recall whether James had made other suggestions, but said James told listeners later in the March 8 show that he does not advocate shooting illegal immigrants.

    "I did not receive a single listener complaint," Cantillo said. "We want to know why this has become an issue a month later."

    However, the Arizona Interfaith Network denounced James' comments at a news conference held Monday at the state Capitol. They said his statements could incite violence.

    Cantillo said the Interfaith Network is causing the danger.

    "This group merely wants to drum up response for their pro-immigration march on Monday," she said. "They say they want calm, but the release of this is doing the opposite _ it's polarizing the community."

    Immigrant rights activists are planning a massive march Monday afternoon on the streets of Phoenix.
     
  2. GoRon

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    This is very distressing, he may have instigated someone to actually do this.

    My advise to those south of the border is to not cross illegally, for their own safety of course;) .
     
  3. Erebus

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    I don't know. From reading the article it would appear he was saying it in a satirical manner and the listeners understood that. Someone with a cause to promote or an axe to grind is taking it out of context and using it to their advantage.

    This happens all the time to talk radio hosts. Someone takes one sentence from a long discussion and makes something of it that it never was. I have listened to Jay Severin in Boston for years and it happens to him constantly. And he loves it cause it gets him tons of press when some left winger takes one phrase out of context and tries to discredit him for it. More people tune in to hear this outrageous talk show host and find out he's not at all the monster he is made out to be. I'll bet he gains listeners everytime they trash him.
     
  4. neoncowboy

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    Right or wrong, my guess is that this would be an amazingly effective strategy.
     
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    I doubt it, people die crossing the border every day, it hasnt stopped anyone yet.
     
  6. beerslurpy

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    He does hit upon a free-market way to stop illegal immigration. This reminds of other great ideas that were hit upon in previous threads. Fine employers 50k per illegal, awarding half to the department of the arresting officer. Employers who cant pay have their business halted until they do pay. Every cop in the country would drop what they were doing and hunt for illegals.

    I think that it is great that public figures are making calls for the people to do what the servants of the people will not. At the least, it will light a fire under the authorities to solve the problem in a way that is less unfavorable to them than massacres on the border. It is very good from the Solomnaic perspective of offering to tear the baby in half to force a compromise.

    It wouldnt cost a lot of money to build a suppressed rifle with a 1st or 2nd gen night scope for border watching. With the inroads illegals have made into non-border states, you could just camp out at the edge of the Home Depot parking lot at 5am and fill your bag limit. But of course it is illegal, so there wouldnt be a bag limit.
     
  7. longeyes

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    Advocating mass slaughter is reprehensible.

    But no more reprehensible than the fusillade of lies emanating from Capitol Hill about this subject.

    This is like the bully father who picks on his son for years and years and years and then people are amazed when the kid burns the house down around the old man. Who is kidding whom?

    No one WANTS violence. Everyone wants a peaceful, orderly, fair society. That, however, implies a representative government that LISTENS to The People. Without that all bets are off. This Government wants nothing more than to see "the border" degenerate into violent civil anarchy the better to further their own nefarious political aims. Every day more and more Americans understand that and understand the circus that is Washington, D.C.
     
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    Ah but there is a difference to doing something that gets people killed and the psycological effect of being hunted.

    People die everyday driving cars, but how many take the time to drive around a bad street known for high jackings, murders, etc?

    People die sky diving, but if everytime someone saw a sky diver of Pheonix they took a few shots at them how many people do you think would continue that dangerous as it is activity over Pheonix knowing they are being hunted?

    Sure people already die doing it and that doesn't stop them but there is something very different about knowing that while you are doing it you are being hunted.

    Like it or not, agree with it or not, if you put snipers on the border and gave them ammo food water and a license and willingness to kill anyoen crossing it you would have a border shut down very quickly between those who cross anyway being killed and those now to scared to do so.
     
  9. Maxwell

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    Militia, like military, are often called upon to do what the servants of the community will not or can not... but its called by the government, not by talk show personalities. We are not the butchers to do their dirty work.

    I dont think killing refugees is the answer, neither is ignoring the budget draining mess that will continue to be mexico. Its not a proper use of our weapons or time.
    To detain them is a good idea mabye. Help the border guard round them up, help process the paperwork, and return these people to their homeland (if they happen to shoot at us, of course you cant help but to shoot back in self defense).

    A longer term plan would be to sit the mexicans and their officials down to a table and have seriously long talk about what our relationship is supposed to be like. They cant be allowed to abuse people or dump them over the border while taking advantage of us. Those who join the US need to be made aware that they wont be setting up a mexico2 like the one they just escaped from.

    At any rate, outright shooting trespassers is not the best of ideas if it can be avoided. Its more likely to start regular border skirmishes and revive racism than hold anyone back.
     
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    As has been demonstrated repeatedly, words are not having any effect. The politicians make the right noises, but dont follow up with the action you would expect. The 86 bill was a great looking piece of legislation, but it was universally not enforced.

    What we need is physical action on the ground. We need a wall of stone and a wall of men. Then we can start to have a rational discussion about what the policy should be because the other side wont be able to simply take any concessions we fail to make.

    But this isnt happening because the government has no incentive to do anything. The whole conflict appears to them as a choice between the short term interests of employers and the interests of American citizens as a whole. They will naturally pick whoever is giving them money.

    When citizens start taking up arms to fix the problem themselves, the government is forced to choose between stopping immigration (either through doing nothing or by proposing an alternative effective plan) or turning on its own citizens. I have no doubt that it will turn on its own citizens in the short term. But this will galvanize public opinion against government, and fixing the border problem will become unavoidable.

    The only trick is that we need a large enough body of citizens to make the transition from "ok I guess it is sort of OK to watch the border without government permission" to "wow the government is screwing us, lets do the job ourselves." Unfortunately, this would represent something of a sea change in public thinking. If only a few people do it and are squashed, it might discourage others. If enough people start doing it and the government cant put a stop to it, it will quickly snowball out of control.
     
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    And which American politicos would be doing that? Not going to happen without a whole lot of political upheaval stateside.
     
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    Murder is now a 'free-market' solution? :confused: You guys worry me..........
     
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    You are right, and I believe this will happen. I don't think it will happen incrementally, building on the Minutemen per se, I think it will erupt all at once as the result of some event or some collective flash of insight. It might be a reaction to the MayDay hijinx or something similar.
     
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    I think he meant free-lance, not free-market.
     
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    It is a free-market solution because you are paying individuals to solve a problem rather than hiring a government official to do it for you. A good anaology is the way in which governments used to eliminate harmful species like wolves and coyotes. Pay 5 bucks a pelt and watch the pelts roll in.

    I didnt say it was right but said that it did remind me of an earlier idea about paying the POLICE to round up illegals and essentially send the bill to the employer who broke the rules. It would be very easy to implement because it would shift the costs and the benefits and simply allow everyone to act in the way most beneficial to themselves.
    -the employers stop hiring illegals because the penalty is too costly
    -the illegals cant find work and stay out of the country
    -the cops enforce the law because the payoff is too big to resist
    -cost to the taxpayer is zero

    The only better solution would be to erect a wall as well so that when Mexico collapses under the weight of a zero-growth economy and a quickly growing population, we dont have to deal with it.
     
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    Satire, however, is not reprehensible.

    Satire: The use of humor,exaggeration, or ridicule to expose or criticize, particularly in the context of topical issues.

    Good grief people, relax.
     
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    True of alot of thigns. All you can do is pressure your friends and neighbors to vote wisely in the next few elections.
    Its not exclusively the mexicans fault for continuing to risk the border crossing if we wont talk to their leaders or enforce our side of the fence.
    In either case, shooting at refugees is not an answer.

    We will have to deal with it no matter what. Unless something changes soon the only two ends to this will be:
    1) The buyout/takeover/fall of mexico in part or in whole. Doing away with the government and replace it with something more responsable.
    2) Everyone building an extension on their homes to try and collect rent from one the few million refugees that will blow a hole in any wall you try to build.

    A border war is not the answer.
    In the end these are still human beings with rights we have to respect.
     
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    So are we. We have the right to keep our country secure from hordes of invaders. Who's 'respecting' our rights?
     
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    Sure it has. In the week or so following 9/11, border crossing stopped, for the very reason that they though we might do just that.
     
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    Every civilization that has embraced this sort of attitude regarding invaders has very quickly ceased to exist.
     
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    About shooting people.....

    You guys are never gonna win over anyone by even joking about murdering people outright.

    Anyway, I just got back from Tijuana. Had to wait in a line of at least 1000 people to get back into the US. The line was backed up into downtown Tijuana.. it consisted of springbreakers coming home, Mexican nationals, tourists from different countries visiting the US, etc.

    In front of me was a group of 7 American kids coming back from Spring break. 5 of them were Hispanic, and 1 was white and the other black. The line was taking ridiculously long and I overheard their conversation.. It was in jest

    Kid1 - "Dude this line sucks, we should just climb the fence like the illegals do.. We're citizens, what are they gonna do to us?"

    Kid2 - "haha, man, you're crazy.. you might be past la migra, but the minutemen would get you"

    Kid1 - "Yea.. and Ill just show them my ID and they cant do anything to me!.. Im Legal!"

    Kid2 - "They dont care man.. you're brown.. they'll shoot you without even asking"

    Later I hear one of the Hispanic kids say "I cant wait to get back to my F'in country.. I'm so tired of this place!"


    What I gathered from their conversation is people honestly believe the Minutemen are out there to shoot Mexicans. It's just the vibe they give off.

    Also, I hear a lot of talk on here about how Hispanics want to change the Southwest into Mexico.. the one kid's comment about "getting back to MY country" and being tired of Mexico tells me that not all Hispanics suscribe to La Raza and Aztlan extremism.
     
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    Illegals

    For many years,the Border Patrol has been catching Illegals and taking them in.
    They gave them food,let them take baths and gave them free Med Care.
    Then they where taken back across the Border and turned loose. The next night most where right back again.

    Now I understand,if they catch them,they give them the same treatment except not take them back across the Border.
    They are given a ticket to appear and just let go.
    WONDER HOW MANY SHOW UP FOR COURT?
     
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    The reality is that a government must apply violence in certain cases, to uphold its laws. If it fails to do so, the laws become meaningless, the confidence in it dissipates, and soon it is everyone for himself. What the idiots in WashDC do not understand is the kind of damage they are doing to the internal and external prestige of the US government and the far-reaching consequences thereof.

    As regards snipers at the border, if any shooting is to be done, I'd rather have mercs do it for bounties. Using the NG or the army to do it will have horrendous consequences for morale, as well as mark a big turning point in our internal politics. There will certainly be enough cold-blooded mercs to do the job without blinking. Regrettable? Yes. The alternatives are worse.

    Projecting force in the Middle East while we are shown to be incapable of defending our own borders makes us look like the greatest weaklings and dumbasses in history.
     
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    You're insane.
     
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    Realpolitik.

    I can support harsh border control now, or find myself in the middle of a civil war in 20 years, or I can get macheted on the street by some drug-crazed aztlanist 10 years from now because I happen to be a gringo. I offer no apologies for defending myself and my interests within the bounds of the law.

    When people refuse to follow laws, things degrade to Comrade Mao's approach (see my sig). I'd rather see to it that that does not happen. Border security is one of the many preventive requisites. If it does, well, I have guns and exercise with them regularly.
     
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