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Oh Lord is this a doozy of an article

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by coyote_jr, Aug 7, 2007.

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  1. coyote_jr

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    Can't believe noone has posted this yet. Hard to believe this would get published but then it is a Massachusetts paper. But it does seem to serve as just more anti BS for the sake of anti BS. I want to send the guy an email but I am racking my brain on what to say. I feel bad for him and want to laugh in his face at the same time....here ya are....

    http://www.thesunchronicle.com/articles/2007/08/07/columns/columns44.txt

    Bonds just hit 756 as I published
     
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  2. john1911

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    That's what happens when children are raised fearing guns. I believe most of the next generation will actually wet themselves seeing a picture of a gun.
     
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  3. Deer Hunter

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    Not exactly high road, but I could easily call him a close-minded panzy.
     
  4. Shadowangel

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    I like how he acts as if an "8 second firearm tutorial" is the norm. Nice that he didn't pay for actual instruction for his first time. I didn't either, but I didn't complain afterwards about being afraid of shooting myself or not hitting my target well.
     
  5. Bezoar

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    Im not getting the point of the article in question. Its kinda funny that he thinks he is stupid enough to shoot himself with the cylinder fully opened. Or that he thinks a 357 is a womans only gun because a salseman syas his neice shoots one well.
     
  6. Thain

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    :barf::barf::barf:
     
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    My girlfriend admitted to being scared of the indoor range in our town. It is not in the best neighborhood, and she did not like the idea of shooting a gun inside. She has been to an outdoor rage though. So I brought her in the other day, to buy some Hogue Grips for a newly acquired revolver, and her first comment was "wow, this place is pretty neat, I'll come shoot here with you sometime" It is amazing how worked up the author got, but a closed mind is hard to reason with.
     
  8. .cheese.

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    I was scared the first time I shot a handgun (I rented a 642). Mainly I was scared it would blow up in my hands when I pulled the trigger.

    Oddly 15 guns into my collection later and that hasn't happened. Although KB's do happen, or so I hear.
     
  9. Rugerman99

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    OK so not the high road but it sounds like somebody needs to grow a pair.
    My question if he didn't feel safe why didn't he just leave? I'm not saying theirs something wrong with being afraid of a gun but it sounds to me like he was just looking for an opportunity to stereotype gun owners and then bash them. IMHO
     
  10. Gord

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    I have to ask his own question again: why was he there?

    He didn't ask, presumably, for any further instruction. He can't stand holding a gun, hearing gunshots or shooting at something vaguely human-shaped.

    If you want to "escape from the heat" you go into a diner and order some iced tea. Sounds like somebody was just trolling for material for an anti-gun diatribe. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Agouti

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    "I read your article and was both amused and saddened by it.

    I think my impression of being handed a firearm is a bit different from the norm as well. However, instead of being fearful of them, I'd smile like a small child handed a PSP.

    And no, the .357 is by no means a woman's cartridge. In fact, I'd consider it one of the manliest cartridges around.

    Also, I'd never recommend an indoor range to a beginner, nor a pistol. My first firearm experience was a shotgun, followed by a .22 lr rifle (a small, low-powered rifle, typically used in taking squirrels, rabbits, and the like), in the same day. However, I shoot a .32 ACP pistol, a small thing with rather violent recoil (due to the fact that the pistol itself is rather light). Pistols, as a general rule of thumb, have heavier recoil -due to lighter size, and due to the shorter distance between the front and rear sights, are more prone to be off center if a user flinches.

    I'd recommend you try this again, outdoors, with a .22 rifle. Firing at paper is never any fun either (it's just used to see how good of a shot one is) -place clay pigeons out in the field (they shatter and send quite a bit of dust into the air), or put a can out in front of you on the ground, and see how long you can keep it spinning.

    Of course, I had the most fun shooting at the end of one school year, several years ago, when my sister brought home a small fort my father and her worked on for a school project. While we've never done this again, we all took turns firing at it with his pellet gun. Of course, video games did not yet have ragdoll physics, or other realistic effects, and shooting small lead pellets at the classic Popsicle stick fort was a real treat. It had several buildings in it, and as we launched the lead pellets at them, the wood splintered fantastically, as though it was being fired upon by miniature artillery shells."


    I replied with this.
     
  12. Gord

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    Penned a reply of my own. With any luck, he's open to the concept that not all gun owners are plaid-wrapped, bearded rednecks.

    I pointed him towards THR; maybe he'll register and we can have a bit of civil discourse on the matter. Simple ignorance can be cured - to most of us, safety and responsibility matter. :)
     
  13. mjrodney

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    There are folks who will never see the need for a firearm.

    And that's ok. It's their choice.

    Just as long as their choice has no effect on my choice.
     
  14. Gord

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    I guess that's your prerogative, but I should think that we'd do better to be civil than to give him reason to write us off.

    Maybe a good range experience would change his mind a little bit, or at least help with understanding our point of view.

    But, yeah, the whole "kill all the blue helmets"/"from my cold dead hands" crap works too.
     
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    Sounds like typical anti journalist blather. Never did he mention that if his finger or foot ended up with a hole in it who would be responsible for said hole.
     
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    While your proactive attitude is greatly appreciated, writing things that don't adhere to the "high road" standards do a great injustice to our cause. They only serve as reinforcement to this guy's view of us.

    This guy is not a lost hope. He showed some open-mindedness by actually going to shoot. Too bad we don't have a member in his area that is willing to go to the range with him and give him proper instructions.
     
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    Tydephan is correct. He's not a lost cause. He was a first time shooter (Boy Scout camp doesn't count, sorry) who was given a gun far too strong for a first time shooter and given minimal help with it and sent out to shoot. And you macho men think he should have just grown a pair and had a great time with it????

    Had the guy behind the counter had as much between his ears as you guys want the writer to have, um, in his equippage, he would have given the guy some instruction. He would probably have started him on a .22 (you all DO remember that this is the best round for a new shooter, right?) He would have shown him how to shoot. He would have given him double ear protection (check out the poll on this topic elsewhere on GGD...most of us do use double ears when we shoot, especially an indoor range).

    But no, he did none of those things, and the guy, who is nervous and who is developing a flinch before he even gets to his shooting station, wants to just get it over with.

    Is that what you want a new shooter to experience? Or do you you all just not care, since he apparently wasn't "man enough" to have a grand time the first time with no help, no teaching, no nothing?

    This is about as high road as the bottom of my sink drain. Gag me.

    Springmom
     
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    Notice the author doesn't update his statement post haste...

    I wonder?? :rolleyes:
     
  19. springmom

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    Spare me the testosterone flood.

    He's a WRITER. Writers WRITE. He was relating an experience. What he needs is for somebody to take him out and show him how to do this, and get him started right.

    ISTM that if anybody's responsible for turning him away from guns (your last phrase is disgusting) it's the guys that set up a new shooter with too much gun.

    BTW, for the record, shooting big bores has nothing to do with the male anatomy. I do just fine with my .44 mag, thanks. It has to do with learning with smaller calibers and working up.

    Springmom
     
  20. Justin

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    OK, listen up!

    I've already deleted a number of utterly content-free posts from people who obviously get spittle all over their monitors when they type.

    The stupidity, name calling, and general moronitude stops right now or the thread gets locked.

    Some of you need to learn either a touch of decorum, or when it's better to keep your fingers off the keyboard.


    Thanks.
     
  21. Rey B

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    Although the pistol was a .357 magnum he was shooting .38 specials. Yes a .22 would have less recoil but not by much. He used every means at his disposal to paint the people in the gun shop as backwards rednecks and repeatedly indicated how intimidated he was by the whole thing while never once asking for help. If he had posted this screed online he would be dismissed as a troll, but since it made it to a newspaper we should take it more seriously and maybe feel a little sorry for him? Sorry no can do.
     
  22. alex_trebek

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    I am not afraid of responsible private citizens owning and shooting guns. I am not of afraid of any gun that i can think of.

    I personally am very alarmed by a person who doesnt know how to handle and firearm, let alone safely shoot it, shooting at a range where bystanders might be harmed. If this man was so afraid of firearms, why did he go to the range in the first place? He clearly didnt bother to really learn a single thing about the subject. He shouldnt of bothered in the first place.

    I agree with Rey B. He would/should be considered trolling, and treated with the same regard.

    I only respect those that try to help themselves, no one should pay attention to the author.
     
  23. FullEffect1911

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    Fight with words, not with fists

    metaphorically anyway. If we try to change his mind from a calm and civil way we no longer paint ourselves in his mind as backwoods plaid wearing hicks, but as intelligent people just like him (or at least how he perceives himself). If someone came at me half cocked screaming and yelling about how I'm wrong I would immediately just figure that person was wrong, albeit passionate, about what they were saying and not worth even listening to.

    It serves our cause better to try and include the non believers rather then shun them. I would rather have a friend and ally rather then another enemy. This really only applies to those who are capable of at least having an open mind on the subject, those who have already made up their mind that guns are evil and should be shot to the sun are beyond repair. This individual having willingly gone to a shooting range is not that far gone.

    just my two pennies.
     
  24. Justin

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    Rey B, Where did I ask you to feel sorry for him?

    Would you please copy and paste that bit of my post for the rest of us to read?

    All I asked for was a thread that didn't look like it was penned by the stereotypes that the original author so blindly indulges in.
     
  25. strat81

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    I'm incredibly afraid of snakes. Hate 'em. Always have, always will. However, I have no intentions of going to the House of Reptiles at the local zoo, jumping in the snake pit, then writing a story about how traumatic it was.

    38 Specials are relatively mild. The fear displayed by the this writer was over the top. What are the estimates on guns and gun ownership in the US? Something like 80 million owners and 300 million guns? Obviously it's not as scary as some people make it out to be.
     
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