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Oh, those horrible immigrants

Discussion in 'Legal' started by telomerase, Jan 8, 2006.

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  1. telomerase

    telomerase Member

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    It isn't the immigrants that give Aid To Dependent Dictators.

    It isn't the immigrants that tax you to support the price of cocaine.

    It isn't the immigrants that keep us dependent on foreign oil... then complain about Global Warming.

    I lived in Dallas for 13 years. The immigrants I knew were all hard-working and honest. Every person who lied to me or stole from me was a "native" (i.e., a second- or third-generation immigrant).

    You 'anti-immigration' guys are just desperately trying to find someone weak and helpless to blame for what the powerful are doing to you. You might as well just change the name of this board to "Rebuildtheberlinwall.com"; hating poor working immigrants sure isn't The High Road.
     
  2. Boogyman

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    Remember the Railroads...

    This country was built with ILLEGAL immigrant labor. Just ask the Chinese-Americans. I don't think the southern cotton plantation owners were checking for green cards either.
    Now I'm all for keeping things legal, but if you want to stop illegal immigration then arrest the big growers and ranchers that hire them for 2 bucks an hour. Of course we'll be paying $5.00 for a head of lettuce...
    They're not taking jobs away from American citizens. We won't work at these back-breaking jobs for almost nothing without whining and crying and starting up unions.
    Walls don't work. Learn from history for once. Can you build a wall to keep out airplanes, submarines, bribed border officials and falsified papers?
    Do you want to live in a walled-in country? they work both ways, you know...
     
  3. rock jock

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    Well, OK. I guess we'll accept your anecdotal evidence as proof that illegals are good for the country and throw away reams of actual data that indicate otherwise. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Biker

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    Mkay, I'll pay five bucks for a head of lettuce if it means that my taxes will go down, my hospitals will stay open in lieu of shutting down because of non-payment from illegals, MS-13 will be driven out of the country, and I don't have to listen to loud, ****ed up accordian music late at night.
    Fair deal, done.
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  5. telomerase

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    Good point. The Chinese Exclusion Act was passed in 1882, long before most of the Chinese came in.

    No, don't throw away any data. I'm sure you can find instances of immigrants using the welfare system (though not NEARLY as much as the third-generation welfare class, in Dallas at least.) While most immigrants now work, I'm sure that with the right (e.g. Swedish) policies, that could be fixed and they could be as lazy and ill-educated as inner-city Amurricans.

    But you might ask yourself why you're so interested in hating those people who might come here to take advantage of the socialist welfare programs. Why don't you put your efforts into getting rid of the white politicians who tax you to pay for the welfare programs instead? They are the real problem, and letting them get support from tribal rivalries just makes them stronger.
     
  6. Boogyman

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    Ok, and your job can be picking apples for 2 bucks an hour. Somebody has to do it.
    See how many heads of lettuce you can afford then.
    Choice: accordian music or rap?
     
  7. longeyes

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    You're right, Telo, we need to take on The Few as well as the illegals and their employers. It's a big job, so we'd better get crackin'.

    I don't see anybody bashing immigrants per se, just decrying the trashing of our sovereignty and our laws and pointing the finger at the huge and mounting costs of illegal immigration throughout America.

    Illegal immigration is one of the many wedges of socialism. You can see that clearly here in California where the LAUSD has decided to spend $15 billion for new schools, mostly for Mexican immigrants, and Gov. Maria Terminatrix (formerly Arnold the Terminator) wants to borrow over $200 billion for an infrastructure make-over in the next decade. This amounts to a massive transfer of wealth from taxpayers to the government and increasing governmental control. Socialism through the back door is what it is.
     
  8. Sindawe

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    You're missing the crux of the matter telomerase. It is not immigration that is the problem, it is the hords of unchecked ILLEGAL aliens in this country that is the problem (along with the overlaoding of tax payer funded social services they use). Last time I checked into the numbers, there are between 10 -20 MILLION of the freaking parasites in the body of the Republic.
    Tell that the folks who used to do construction work like framing, drywall and plumbing. Tell that to the folks who use to work in meat packing and raise a family. Tell that the to the airframe mechanics and janitors at nuclear power plants.
     
  9. telomerase

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    Jeeze, Boogyman, this was supposed to an ANTI-genocide thread...
     
  10. Boogyman

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    Ha Ha...:D What's th' matter, no likey rap?
     
  11. Ezekiel

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    Tell those folks to not charge me $25-$75 per hour.

    Yes, I sympathize that skilled labor trades are now being "cost adjusted" -- and illegal immigration is an issue -- but the entire idea of capitalism is based upon relative worth.

    "The folks who are immediately threatened by another taking their job were overpaid anyway." :barf:
     
  12. telomerase

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    I think it's already up to $222 billion. So OK, there's your problem. Instead of worrying about the terrible shortage of maid and tomato-picking jobs, focus on robots from the future taking every dime you made and every dime your children and great-great-grandchildren will ever make. (Ever wonder why Ahnold was so intent on banning .50 calibers...?)
     
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    God is cruel: we could have had Cuban music, instead we get Mariachi. Ay ay ayyyyyyyy! :D
     
  14. telomerase

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    You're confusing God and the Coast Guard. (The enforcers of Beard Communism).
     
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    No - those two words are wrong. The correct two words are "President Bush". We don't have to worry about immigration, immigrants or anything else relating to them. President Bush has got a plan. You elected him for these plans. Be happy and forget about this subject - it'll be a non-issue as soon as his plan is approved by Congress and implemented.
     
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    +1

    Sindawe, you & i don't agree often but you hit this one right on the head. imo :)
     
  18. longeyes

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    Twenty million now. 50 million in 10 years. We don't need a "guest worker" plan, we need a "Stop Illegal Immigration in its Tracks" plan.

    Personally, I think we need a complete moratorium on all immigration until we hash this issue out in public debate.
     
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    How many of them came over here illegally to work, and how many came over illegally to collect welfare, food stamps, free medical, and free education for their kids?

    Two bucks an hour to pick fruit sounds pretty good. My dad and uncle came over here legally and got $0.25 an hour to pick lemons. Then, since they were legally in the country, they moved on to bigger and better things. There will always be people standing in line to pick fruit and mow lawns, just for a chance to come into this country and get a start.

    Those are the people we want to encourage to come join us. Now though, we have way too many "free ride" illegals, which we want to discourage. Don't see anything non-High Road about that.
     
  20. ken grant

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    Illegals

    A contractor charges you $20,000 to do a job.He pays his help $15-$20 an hour.
    Between the two of them Social Sec. gets paid,Fed.,State and Local taxes get paid and in most cases Insurance is carried for medical purposes.

    Now the same contactor starts using Illegals. He pays them $5-$10 an hour in cash. None of the above gets paid.Taxpayers wind up footing the bills for these Illegals.
    The contractor still charges you $20,000 to do the job.

    WHO ARE THE WINNER'S HERE?:cuss:
     
  21. TexasRifleman

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    That's how you argue against it all when you don't have an argument that will hold water, just call the other side racist and then you don't have to have a point. You're absolutely right, there's nothing non-High Road or racist at all, but since they have no other argument, that's all we hear.

    And for the record, I live in the Dallas Ft Worth area too, and have a totally different experience in dealing with and being around ILLEGAL ALIENS. Remember, it's the ILLEGAL part that we have a problem with, not the ALIEN.
     
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    Accordian music or rap? I think I'd chew on the barrel of my 870 while listening to the Allman Brothers.
    :neener:
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  23. telomerase

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    The only way to stop "free rides" is to stop the free-ride programs. You can't do that by building a bigger INS bureaucracy.

    Americans don't know history, even their own. In 1905 there was a higher proportion of immigrants in the United States, but a much higher economic growth rate and a much lower crime rate. I say again, it's not the poor immigrants who are putting in the socialist politicians. It's you.
     
  24. AF_INT1N0

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    I'll tell ya what...

    I'd take as many workers through the border as wanted to come..

    But they have to trade places with a non-working 3rd Gen welfare recipient..

    I'd take a 100 million immigrants willing to pick peaches for $2 over the folks that sit in there government paid for house smoking weed and watching satellite TV and bitching about how the FEMA didn't move fast enough to bail them out of whatever hurricane they didn;t have the motivation to get outa the way of...
     
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    Longeyes wrote:
    +1. It's not immigration or immigrants that are the problem, it's ILLEGAL immigration that is the problem.
     
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