Oh those vicious anti Dems

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Steel yourselves if you will my brave armed brethren and step into the slavering maw of the dreaded DU forums.

DU, where my Blue Dog style economic preferences are portrayed as fascist corporatism.

DU, where Hilary is probably more hated than she is here, but from the other side of the political aisle (they see no difference between HRC and GWB - honest!)

DU, where anyone who has a house greater than 1100sq ft and drives anything that gets less than 35mpg is called an environment-raping thug

I'm not making up any of these things. DU is an example of groupthink just like THR is, and is equally ready to eviscerate anyone but the black and white purists.

So you can imagine what they think of RKBA right?

Right? Betcha?

Go see.......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2089732
 
i think there are more THRers on DU than Democrats
 
The more rabid they are, the more they marginalize themselves. They won't be winning any elections any time soon with that attitude. That is what the Howard Deans of the world do not understand.

They hate HRC? Excellent! She is going to find herself mighty lonely in 2008. :)
 
I have tried, and I mean honestly tried to read stuff on Demo Under...

But as always, within 15 minutes, I am hurling my breakfast/lunch into the Round File 13, from all of the full spin left :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
CAnnoneer said:
The more rabid they are, the more they marginalize themselves. They won't be winning any elections any time soon with that attitude. That is what the Howard Deans of the world do not understand.

They hate HRC? Excellent! She is going to find herself mighty lonely in 2008. :)
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So you didn't read the thread then eh?
 
One thing to remember is DU does not equal "normal" Dems any more than Free Republic = "normal" Republicans.

Both these activist sites attract the extremes - the "true believers" who want an echo chamber for their extremism.

Now with THAT population, the fact that a lot of DU gun threads are either equally balanced or slightly pro-gun tilted tells us a lot. The specific thread I posted was not a needle in a haystack - I just opened it this morning in the late breaking news forum.

You can see from the post count of most of the reasonable voices (which are all but one or two) on this thread that they are hardly recent THR lurkers who pop in to make a gun argument - but die hard DU posters and activists who have very reasonable views on RKBA.
 
sorry

but i'm not going to read that b.s.
i know we should know our enemy but i just can't read between the stupidity.
 
Here's a taste....

Problem is, the anti-gun lobby isn't concerned about the types of guns
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used in CRIMES so much as they are the types of guns that American gun owners like to own and shoot...

The #1 gun used in violent crime is the lowly .38/.357 caliber revolver. The only long gun in the Top Ten is the 12-gauge hunting shotgun. The #1 rifle is the lowly .22LR squirrel rifle. And most gun crime is committed by CRIMINALS, not by people who have never had so much as a speeding ticket.

Meanwhile, the anti-gun lobby has spent immense effort and political capital trying to outlaw nontraditional-looking civilian rifles owned by people with squeaky clean records, like my wife and I.

"Packaging" the gun ban du jour is not and has never been the party's problem. The gun ban du jour mentality IS the problem.

If the anti-self-defense lobby put half the effort into enforcing current law against criminal gun trafficking, possession, and use as they have trying to steal guns from our gun safe, they might have done something about criminal gun violence. Maybe I'm jaded, but their legislative priorities show clearly that criminal violence is NOT what they care about...
 
Can I die in shock ??? :eek:

I was flabbergasted to see the pro-gun sentiments coming, from all places, the DU!!!! Life never ceases to amaze me !!
 
While they are fairly evenly split on 2S issues, and have things (both good and bad) to say, can someone please explain this to me?

The majority of people in America voted for Kerry
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I have seen this repeated in multiple times on DU and by other Democrats, but where they watching an election that I didn't know about? Think what you want about Bush, from the mulitiple news cast that I was watching on Election Day 2004, I was under the impression that Bush won the popular vote (if by just a narrow margin).:scrutiny:
 
Completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter what a few of their constituency thinks when Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, Klinton, Schumer, Boxer, Lautenberg and their like run the party.

I'm still waiting for a $8000 check from the democratic party to reimburse me for the money they screwed me out of via AWB and 1986 MG ban before I will consider throwing them a vote.

Bush won the popular vote by approx 4 million. About the same number of total NRA members. Poetic justice if you ask me.
 
Thefabulousfink said:
While they are fairly evenly split on 2S issues, and have things (both good and bad) to say, can someone please explain this to me?



I have seen this repeated in multiple times on DU and by other Democrats, but where they watching an election that I didn't know about? Think what you want about Bush, from the mulitiple news cast that I was watching on Election Day 2004, I was under the impression that Bush won the popular vote (if by just a narrow margin).:scrutiny:
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If you really don't know it is based on some rather stretched thoughts about vote counting on proprietary-software machines which come from one of two companies - one founded by a Republican Senator and one owned by Bush's OH campaign coordinator.

I certainly have my doubts about the security and traceability of Diebold et al - as should anyone regardless of partisanship when a non-auditable "black box" controls our most basic political freedom, but again I remind you, DU is not a home for moderates any more than Free Republic is on the other side, so some of the ideas are a bit on the loony fringe side.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BenEzra a member here?

I read it daily. The worst of it comes from mainly two people, BillBuckHead and Paladin.

I find it amazing that they consider the NRA a bunch of liars, yet defend the VPC, who have a far worse track record on the truth.

Anyone else notice Bill brings out those daft pics of the NRA head with the muskets whenever he's losing an argument?
 
G36-UK said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't BenEzra a member here?

I read it daily. The worst of it comes from mainly two people, BillBuckHead and Paladin.

I find it amazing that they consider the NRA a bunch of liars, yet defend the VPC, who have a far worse track record on the truth.

Anyone else notice Bill brings out those daft pics of the NRA head with the muskets whenever he's losing an argument?
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Hadn't noticed but would not be surprised.

Of course there are no pro-gun Dems so can't be so! :rolleyes:

The truth is the general masses of Dems are split fairly closely. The point about the relatively receint shift in Dem leadership away from a more truly liberal view of the RKBA dating from the two Kennedys, MLK etc may have a point. Either way there is clearly plenty of grassroots and mid-level support for gun ownership and relaization that criminals are the problems rather than guns.

Also good to see some data on NRA support for Dems. Now if we can get THR memes going that don't aurtomatically associate anyone left of Brownback with inevitable confiscation we'll be getting somewhere....
 
boofus said:
Completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter what a few of their constituency thinks when Kennedy, Kerry, Feinstein, Klinton, Schumer, Boxer, Lautenberg and their like run the party.
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I am afraid I must agree.

The basic mechanics of it is that the Feinsteins of the world are financed by wealthy liberals and unions of poor brainwashed liberals. Both groups are vehemently anti-gun and would never split a hair about which gun is bad and which not so bad. For them, all guns are bad.

Interesting nontheless. And no, I did not go read the DU thread because idiocy makes me physically sick.
 
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I don't know how else to say this, other than in a very blunt style.

So here goes.

I really don't give a damn about what a couple of folks post on DU about guns.

That doesn't matter at all to me.

What does matter is the voting record of the Democrats over the past decade when it comes to gun rights.

Who passed the AWB in the first place? Who was the tie-breaking vote in the US Senate on the AWB?

Who vetoed CCW in Wisconsin? Who guaranteed that the veto overturn failed?

Who was constantly obstructing CCW in Missouri last year?

Who brought legislation to the floor of the US Senate only a year ago that, if passed, would have banned all centerfire rifle ammunition currently in the US?

Who killed the frivolous lawsuit bill the first time it came around last year?

So a couple of posters over at DU see the light on gun rights.

Big whoop-de-freakin'-do.

Show me Schumer and Feinstein and Kennedy and Boxer and Blagoevich (spelling?) and all the other anti-politicians with the big "D" out by their name brought to heel, and then I'll get excited.

But even then, I won't trust them at all.

I'm a native Arkie. Bill Clinton never showed any signs of being anti-gun until he got on the national stage of the Democrat party. None. Zero.

Once he got on that stage, he became the most anti-gun president of the century.

Did Al Gore from Tennessee show any anti-gun signs when he was still just little old Al Gore from Tennessee?

I don't think so. But once he came to national prominence in the D party.....

Change the fundamental outlook of the national party, and I'll get excited.

But no matter how excited I get, I'll still never trust the national party, because I've been burned too many times by it in the past.

And yes, I voted for Slick Willy the first time around in 1992.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, etc..............

hillbilly
 
Last I heard, ALL Dems were not anti-gun, just many of the screaming leftists. It just so happens that some of them are in leadership positions.

I thought it was pretty well known that many of the most active anti-gun organizations were funded by a small numbers of very rich people. Since it was only a few years ago that my home town was almost entirely Democrat, it doesn't surprise me that there are some reasonable Dems out there.

I remember following a DU link after that Supreme Court property rights case last year. Some of those guys actually blamed Scalia and Thomas and the other hated conservatives for it before someone pointed out that it was their own liberal judges who voted for it. I was happy to see that most of them were for property rights. It reinforces my belief that if you really went issue by issue carefully, there are really not very many issues which most Americans really disagree on.

Too bad none of that matters since those Dems keep electing the same idiots to office. (unlike some of the Repub idiots) :)
 
You know, I once attended a meeting of the "Workers World Party" or "Socialist Workers of the World" (I can't remember the name exactly), just to see what they were like. It was a full-on capital-C Communist group meeting at the UW-Madison campus student union. This was in 1988, before the fall of the Berlin wall.

Their platform was pro-gun-ownership. For obvious reasons.

Needless to say, it didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.

Not that (most of) the people at DU are communists, I'm just saying...
 
Hillbilly posted some concrete examples of what happens under anti-gun Dems. Those few poster on DU seem to be reasonable with their approach to RKBA. Good for them.

Now, those people have to affect their party to create more pro-gun Dems in leadership positions.
 
Republican vs Conservative

In this country, as opposed to many in Europe and around the world, we form our coalitions before we vote as opposed to a parliament style which forms coalitions after the votes are in. This leads us to the Republican and Democratic party. The republican party generally includes more libertarians and conservatives with the Democrats contain more liberals and socialists.

Conservatives, in principle, stand for freedom of the individual, including state rights, freedoms of gun ownership etc. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to favor collectivism and a large invasive government...

As a gun owner and one who values self determination, a smaller government and individual freedoms, I vote for the block that BEST represents me, the Republicans. Does every republican vote the way I want them to? nope. Does every Democrat vote incorrectly? nope.

One of the things that you have to remember when voting for your block is who has the power in that block. Clearly, the radical left has taken over the democratic party, leaving the fiscally responsible Scoop Jackson wing of the party out. If democratic gun owners want their gun rights protected, either fix your party or join the one that in theory, does.

Just bought a barely used Model 70 HVB in .223 today. Yep, gonna hunt me some Priarie Poodles and send the headcount off to PETA, just to aggravate them...
 
" I have been a rabid gun control supporter for years until...

Until I realized that bush thinks he is the king. I don't know what this crazy man will do next and he has the military, Secret Service, FBI and NSA at his beck and call. I now believe that the NRA might be right about an armed populace being more difficult to subjugate."


Whatever, that's awesome. Either there is a pro-gun 3rd column at work, or people might actually be giving up their pre-conceived mis-informed unlegitimate stereotypes about firearms! Or both, I guess.

I'm not American, but even I recognize the significance of someone on the Democratic Underground posting that they have rediscovered the importance of the 2nd amendment, and not being flamed, but supported.
 
I think I've seen a "Benezra" posting here on THR. He's doing a really good job on this DU thread defending our rights

+1 to this Benezra guy
 
Ben Ezra has posted some of the most intelligent, thought-provoking writing I've read on THR. I've never been over to the DU site, but I can't imagine his writing there is any less perceptive.
 
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