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Ohio CCW - particulars?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bill Hook, Feb 9, 2004.

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  1. Bill Hook

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    I realize that this hasn't been signed (I thought not) and it will take 90 days to enact, but does anyone have an idea of costs involved and whether you can get your permit from a different county than your residence? I need to pass on some info.
     
  2. Lennyjoe

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    I havent seen anything as far as price goes.

    I have been keeping an eye out at Ohioans For Concealed Carry website.

    www.ofcc.net
     
  3. SemperFi83

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    Law says "Up to $45" fee for the license itself, but if you have been an Ohio resident for less than 5 years, they can also charge you for the cost of the federal background check.
     
  4. braindead0

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    See my post on:
    other thread

    And always bear in mind, the only particulars that matter are the law and it's possibly interpretation by the courts. From what I can tell our Attorney General is trying to really mess things up by publishing patently incorrect information. Luckily, the 'rules' the AG writes must be reviewed by the Joint Committee on Agency Rule Review and their job is to make sure the rules fit with the law. Hopefully they'll do their job correctly and this'll get straightened out.

    You also might be looking at August until the Sheriffs actually have the ability to issue permits.
     
  5. TheBluesMan

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    One point that hasn't been addressed yet - You can apply for a permit in your county of residence or in any adjacent county.
     
  6. braindead0

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    Which will be very handy for many people who has idiot Sheriffs (Summit county for example).
     
  7. Bill Hook

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    I'm thinking Hamilton Co., so Clermont is the county that was of interest here.
     
  8. zahc

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    Hey I just got back from playing paintball up there in Canton.
     
  9. TheBluesMan

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    Canton is in Stark county, zahc. Akron is in Summit. I wouldn't go to Summit either, braindead0.

    Here's a link to the Ohio Attorney General's FAQ about this law: http://www.ohiofirearmstraining.com/Training.html

    Here's the Ohio Attorney General's synopsis of the law:
     
  10. braindead0

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    Well, at least the AG's overview is more accurate than their QA on the subject...which is chock full of misinformation and outright lies.
     
  11. foghornl

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    Lake County, Ohio Sheriff Daniel Dunlap isn't too gun-friendly, either. Don't have a direct link to the article, but in Sunday's (2-15-04) Cleveland Plain Dealer news rag, [Directly quoting article from Plain Dealer] 'It is going to be like Dodge City out there,' said Lake County Sheriff Daniel Dunlap. 'I don't see how we are becoming a more civilized society by doing this.' "

    {also saw that report in today's newslinks (2-16-04) on Angel Shamaya's KeepAndBearArms.com website.}

    Well, here is a news flash for ya, Sheriff Dunlap. I don't see how you are ever going to get another vote from me.

    Soon, we will be calling you FORMER Lake County Sheriff Dunlap.

    I have downloaded the Adobe pdf document (new CCW law) from the Ohioans for COncealed Carry website, but I have struggeld in vain to get through all 100+ pages of it.
     
  12. braindead0

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    141 pages I believe. The rough part is all the referenced to other areas which you must lookup in order to understand each section.

    I've been in contact with ORPA, and a few local clubs regarding these issues. At this time there is no concensus, TDI is running classes and according to one of their instructors the pamphlet will only be given out at the time you apply and the class does not have to provide it. Other classes appear to be doing the same, I've heard the 'Deer Hunter' is claiming to have the pamphlet.

    I'm hoping the ORPA or the NRA is going to put all their certified instructors on notice with some sort of position on this issue.
     
  13. Orion

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    Ohio is a fairly conservative State until you get into a Metro area and the counties involved almost always have democrat leadership. Seems the "urbanites" are more concerned about what they can get for free from the Dems than what they can get for themselves like the rest of us.
     
  14. enfield

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    I tried applying in a different county in Michigan -- it didn't work. Seems that for the purpose of local background checks, you have to apply in the county of your primary residence. Since I reside in Jackson county only 5 months of the year, I had to apply in Wayne county (Detroit!). What a bureaucratic nightmare.:rolleyes:

    From what I've seen so far, Ohio will be worse except in the rural counties.
     
  15. Black92LX

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    Taft signed the bill on January 8th and the law goes into affect April 7th
     
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    If I understand the law correctly, the class must be a NRA Safety Course OR must be 10 hours, etc, etc. Does that mean that the NRA Safety Course itself does NOT have to be 10 hours, as long as it meets NRA criteria?

    I'm wondering because I'm not that far from the Ohio border and I'm considering doing some Ohio classes when the dust settles on exactly what is required. I teach the NRA Personal Protection in the Home class for Michigan CPL applicants, and that's what I'd probably do in Ohio as well. The problem is that it is technically only a 8 hour class. (Even though it usually takes me 11 hours or more to get through it all, including the range time)
     
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    But, the Attorney General has 30 days to submit rules to the Joint Committee on Agency Rule Review, who in turn have 65 days (or potentially more if they have to kick the rules back) to review the rules, and then the AG has another 30 days to actually get the pamphlet and forms to Sheriffs.

    It could be august.

    Incorrect, NRA course is only one of several ways to meet the certification requirements of the law. And even an NRA class must comply will 2923.125(G) which stipulates 12 hours class 2 hours range, must provide pamphlet, give written and skill demonstration test..etc.
     
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    Toledo's Saturday-night Special Law

    Does anyone know if such laws as Toledo's so-called Saturday-night Special Law will still be valid when Ohio's "Shall Issue" goes into effect? It seems to me that Carrying Concealed will be legal, but many concealable guns may not be legal. Just another consideration for out-of-staters passing through.

    Below is an excerpt from a Toledo Law:

     
  19. braindead0

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    This has been discussed on the OFCC mailing lists quite a bit. The new law will likely not affect the toledo law. Get out of there, quick!
     
  20. Atticus

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    Hindsight is 20/20. Shoulda dumped Toledo while we had a chance.


    Toledo War: battle between Michigan and Ohio
    (Otherwise known as the beginning of The Ohio State - Michigan rivalry)

    http://wiwi.essortment.com/toledowar_rzxq.htm
     
  21. braindead0

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    Below is an email received from the AG's office, which makes it quite clear that the class must provide the pamphlet (that doesn't exist) but does apper to leave it open as to when the class provides the pamphlet (ie: later may be okay).

    There is also some good advice about what to ask people offering classes.

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    Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:14:29 -0500
    From: Constituent Services <Constituent_Services@ag.state.oh.us>

    Mr. Walker,

    The law sets out minimum educational requirements that are a component of the various forms of competency certification. The law requires at least ten hours of training in the following matters:
    The ability to name, explain and demonstrate the rules for safe handling of a handgun and proper storage practices for handguns and ammunition;

    The ability to demonstrate and explain how to handle ammunition in a safe manner;

    The ability to demonstrate the knowledge, skills and attitude necessary to shoot a handgun in a safe manner;

    Additionally, trainees must have two hours of training including range time and live-fire experience, be given a copy of the pamphlet and must take an examination that tests their competency.

    The test, at a minimum, includes a written section on the ability to name and explain the rules for the safe handling of a handgun, and proper storage practices for handguns and ammunition as well as a physical demonstration of competency on handgun usage and rules for safe handling and storage of a handgun and an examination requiring the physical demonstration of the attitude necessary to shoot a handgun in a safe manner.

    The Attorney General does not endorse any particular form of training or instructor. However, a list of Ohio Peace Officer's Training Commission certified instructors who wish to teach classes to the general public will be made available from the Attorney General's website at www.ag.state.oh.us. County sheriffs also may have a list of certified instructors who have provided contact information to the sheriff.

    As advisory to consumers, the Attorney General advises anyone contemplating private handgun training to take the following minimum steps before paying for any form of training:

    • Verify the person teaching the class is qualified to teach.
      Confirm the instructor knows the requirements of the law.
      Be certain the instructor will provide you with the Attorney General's pamphlet.
      Verify whether a refund or additional training may be available if a county sheriff determines the course was incomplete when you apply.
    Mark C. Gribben
    Director of Constituent Services
    Office of Attorney General Jim Petro
    (614) 644-8529




    -----Original Message-----

    It appears that many of the things in the QA and overview related to HB-12 contain information that runs counter to HB-12 as passed. For example the overview states NRA Safety Course qualifies as proof of training with no mention of the requirements in 2923.125(G) which detail what the class must cover.

    The QA states that people should get training now, but as far as I can tell that is not possible unless you fall under 2923.125(B)(3)(d) which doesn't require additional training at all. The main concern is 2923.125(G) which states specifically that the class must provide the pamphlet, which doesn't exist. Unless your interpretation of that would allow a class to send students the pamphlet at a later time, getting training now will not meet the requirements.
     
  22. Henry Bowman

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    I don't think that the Hamilton County Sheriff will act in an anti-CCW-issuance kind of way, but I'd like to reward the Clermont County Shrf with my fee for his being an outspoken proponent of CCW in Ohio.
     
  23. braindead0

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    The Ohio AG has posted what appears to be a draft of the Pamphlet. This document is wrong on a variety of points, most notably on car carry. It also refers to the 'priviledge' when in fact the law states nothing of the sort.

    Hopefully when it gets submitted to JCARR, they'll kick it back.
     
  24. madmike

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    So derringers are legal in Toledo... they're not revolver, auto or single shot.

    And it looks like they prefer you to carry large calibers and good guns. Hey! Nice to know the wannabe criminals can only legally buy stuff that works! Wouldn't want them to shoot someone with a .25! It's commonly used in crime. but if they shoot someone with a .45, well, that's okay...

    As to the AG's office,
    Looks to me like the bureaurats are so screwed up they don't know what they're doing. This is a surprise?

    And ten hours to teach "treat it as if it's loaded, don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot, first and last action is to check the chamber"?

    Heck, my wife is trying to join the Guard. Took less than an HOUR for me to teach her to strip and reassemble an AR-15, about an hour to teach her the fundamentals of shooting, and another hour to get her an expert score. She's ready on the rifle front. :D

    Guess it'll be a long time before they grant reciprocity to IN. Sigh.
     
  25. telewinz

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    In shopping around for a CCW class mosy cost $100 and up and last two days with most of the last day being reserved for "extra" instruction for those who need it and the 2 hour range time. I'm going this weekend. Now what size picture do I need to apply with, an 8X10 color glossy?
     
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