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Discussion in 'Legal' started by mattman the gun fan, Aug 12, 2005.

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  1. mattman the gun fan

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    ok as of now im 3 days from 16 in a couple years i hope to get a gun.but i want a handgun.i know you have to be 21 to purchase them at a gun dealer.but i heard there are ways around this like a private purchase or someone giving it to you as a present.also what do you need to carry a hand gun. basicaly i am asking what permits do you need to carry a handgun and own a handgun.if it helps i live in hamilton ohio not to be confused with hamilton county .hamilton is by cincinatti. and can cities have different rules than state rules?please and thank you for the responses everything else has been confusing and the police department doesnt answere there questions very well.
     
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    Each city can make up its own laws, but the charges can only be misdemeanors. city ordnances on guns and ammo will vary from none to outright bans on certain weapons.

    Packing.org is a great resource.

    Mike
     
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    Mattman:

    Your post concerns me, you are 16 years old. Why are you asking questions about carrying a handgun? If it is for general knowledge fine, but if you are thinking about carrying illegally, please remember most of Ohio is not very forgiving when it concerns guns. Not trying to preach to you :). I would hate to see you break a law that could affect you the rest of your life.
     
  5. Henry Bowman

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    To legally carry a handgun (concealed) in Ohio, you must be 21 and get a license. To get the license you must take an approved course that is at least 12 hours long (including at least 2 hours on the range shooting), submit an application, photo, and fee. If the background check clears, it license must be issued.

    In Ohio, you may possess a handgun if you are over 18, but may not buy one until you are 21. Federal law says a licensed dealer may not sell it to you until 21, but Ohio law makes it a crime to furnish a handgun to someone under 21 unless they are "under your [the giver's] supervision."

    My advice, start with a .22 rifle. They are cheap to buy and to shoot. You must be 18 to purchase, but there are many ways to legally (and safely) use one before you are 18.

    If you want to work on handgun skills, you might consider airsoft or finding an adult (preferably a parent) who can teach you safety and skills (again starting with a .22) prior to turning 18.

    Stick around here (and as some have suggested, packing.org) and learn. here are several THR members in this area (some in their early 20's) who will be glad to talk to you also.
     
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    i wouldnt think of haveing a firearm illegaly in ohio there harsh on the laws.and i dont get it i cant buy a handgun from someone when im 18 but i can own one?
     
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    also sorry for causing so much comfusion im new at the gun deal and i want to get my facts tottaly straight before i go out to buy one.
     
  8. taliv

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    isn't the "you must be 21 to possess a handgun" law a FEDERAL law?

    I've got a little pamphlet around here somewhere explaining said law and it says there are exemptions, like "if you receive it as part of an inheritance, you can own a handgun but not possess it"

    i think you can own/possess a rifle at any age, but must be 21 to purchase. could be wrong... it's been a whle since i was 21
     
  9. Father Knows Best

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    Matt, let's be perfectly clear on this: YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HANDGUN FOR AT LEAST FIVE MORE YEARS! There is no "way around" that. No one can legally sell you a handgun until you are 21. If someone who is 21 or older buys one for the purpose of giving it to you, that is what is known as a "straw man" sale and is illegal. Both the purchased and you go to jail for it (and the seller, if he knew the buyer was going to give the gun to you).

    Wait until you're 18, and then buy yourself a rifle. Join a gun club. Learn how to use the rifle safely, and get proficient with it. When you're 21, you will be well prepared for a handgun. Attend a good firearms training school, and get your carry permit. Practice often. But not yet.
     
  10. Henry Bowman

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    Who told you that the law always make sense? Actually, you can own one, but I can't sell you one. :confused: Still confused? I can give you one, if you are under my supervision during its use. If we are at the range or hunting or plinking and I am right there with you, I may do that. In theory, you could be under my supervision even when I am not there with you, -- but I'm not going to do that, and neither will most adults other than a parent.

    What is your parents' attitude on guns and their use? Can you get involved in an organization that will teach youth gun safety (like 4-H or scouts) that will give them some comfort if they are not comfortable or do not have the knowledge to teach you. Also there is trap and skeet -- which is cool because you shoot at moving targets. There are youth opportunities at the club in Middletown (although I'm not a member there).

    I know that all of this doesn't sound nearly as fun as blasting away at cans and stuff in a junkyard or learning self defense handgun techniques. It's not. But sometimes you have to endure a while to get where you want to be.
     
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    I beg to differ. I find trap, skeet and especially sporting clays to be a lot more fun than blasting away cans and stuff, or learning self-defense handgun techniques. To each his own.
     
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    There are also fun handgun games. Our interests evolve. I began (at about age 25) with an interest in gun rights advocacy, long before I owned any guns. I had shot my Dad's guns as a kid and done a little hunting. I first bought a trap gun, then a skeet gun. Later I became interested in handguns and self defense. It was years later before I discovered any interest in rifles. Now I'm playing handgun games (steel shoots) on Friday evenings in the summer. It's all fun.

    I'm just trying to harken back to being 15 (the worse year of most boys' lives). Really the best advice it to worry about becoming a good driver. That is the best way to set a concrete example of your responsibility.
     
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    my dad is major pro gun he was a weapons specialist in the army he taught everyone how to use them and he tested every gun model that went through....my mom on the other hand wont allow them in the house for one reason because my brother is a bad boy (hes been to jail a few times and he just turned 14).so if i were to buy a handgun at 18 and someone were willing to sell it to me.the only reason it would be illegal is because i wasnt 21 so when i turn 21 it would be legal? also i feel for you cincinnati is so damn strict on gun laws. gun laws dont matter on vine street :D
     
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    well guys thanks for the help and looks like im screwed for another 5 years on the handgun issue.oh yeah and watch out in cininnati the gangs are comming in strong down there in the past few months but why am i telling you?you live there!! but really they come down here to recruit little kids.and then the kids run away.my best friend did.he did it just so he could get a uzi.crazy.
     
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    Lots of good information here but Henry said it best:
    Even the most enthusiastic shooter will in general spend less time on the range than he will behind the wheel. There is a thread over in General that deals with introducing a teen to shooting. While you may not need the introduction, there are quite a few good ideas of where to go to be able to shoot.

    For the next couple/few years you aren't going to be able to do a whole lot by yourself with firearms. It may not be fair but it is the world that we live in. Please don't do something stupid now because you think that you should be able to, it might impact your ability to own any for the rest of your life. For now, do what you can when you can and enjoy those opportunities. Adulthood and everything that comes with it will be along soon enough.

    A fellow named Strunk might help you out as well.

    Greg
     
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    thanks greg im gun safe im just tryin to prepare myself with all the laws when the time comes.dont wanna be a idiot buyin something i shouldnt be or packing something i shouldnt be.
     
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    That sounds good. I/we were just a little worried because doing something stupid now could affect you for the rest of your life (and while you probably don't think so now, there is a LOT of life ahead of you - said from my grand old age of 39 :D ).

    For now, your safest assumption should be that unless you are on a range (or with your parents) you shouldn't be carrying anything anywhere. In 2 years things will ease up for rifles/shotguns and 5 years for handguns. In this political climate don't expect that to change & you'll just have to wait it out.
     
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    And his good friend White. ;)

    Try privately sharing your interest with your dad. I don't mean to drive a wedge between you and your mom. Just tell your dad you'd like to spend some "guy time" together. Given your brother's history, he will probably jump at it and your mom be estatic as well. Tell him that you would really like for him to take you shooting some time. Just for fun -- father/son thing. Not a new hobby with lots of gear to buy and stuff. No [*shutter*] "guns in the house." :rolleyes: If he doesn't know where to go or what to do in this area, ask us.
     
  20. Javelin Man

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    Not to harp heavily on your grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc., but spend a little more time in English class learning the finer points of writing. You will look better on job applications and sound better in interviews so you can get that better paying job to afford that better handgun when you turn 21. It takes very little more effort than what you are presently typing to do it right.

    Also, you are correct about Vine Street; the only time I have needed my concealed handgun was at the intersection of Vine and Third. A man came up and asked for money, and I could sense he wasn't going to settle for spare change. I stuck my hand in my pocket as I said "NO!" and he understood what I meant.

    Don't go around the law. Practice with your dad and get his advice. Whether you follow it or not is up to you, but listen to him. Learn from your brother's mistakes, too.

    Good luck.
     
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    Matt -

    Hidden in one of the other posts was a nugget of good information. Get yourself an Airsoft or CO2 pistol. You can practice with this in the garage, backyard, or basement.

    As for "real" firearms, you're stuck going shooting with an adult and/or participating in a youth shooting program until 18. 4H Shooting Sports has a good program, as does the NRA and the Boy Scouts. Some schools have them through JROTC. Some NRA Instructors or Clubs put on training events for folks your age. I know I'd be happy to have you in a Pistol Class.

    Another option is to take up trap shooting or sporting clays. Readily available in Ohio and will improve your overall shooting ability. Look in the phone book or check the internet for places to shoot.

    And, yes, learning how to drive well is FAR more important. Much greater chance of you dying in a car wreck than by firearm. There's a teen driving program at Mid-Ohio.

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  22. SMMAssociates

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    Matt:

    Glad you found us instead of a streetcorner....

    My 19-year-old daughter "owns" a .22 target pistol, and a single-shot .22 rifle. They're both locked up here, and I've got the keys. Technically, she can't "own" the pistol, but the law's fuzzy enough to let me buy it and tell her that it's hers. She could take the rifle to college with her (she lives in another city now) without violating any laws, but I have a feeling her roomies would react funny. :eek:

    When she's in town, we try to schedule a range night. 'Bout half the time she puts the .22's down and prefers to shoot something hotter, but that's OK. I just make her clean them.... I don't think she's interested in carry at all, but going out to shoot with dad is one of those things kids like. If I was collecting stamps, or motorcycles, she'd possibly find those equally interesting as "time with dad."

    (Carrying a gun for personal defense is a whole 'nother thread. At fifteen, it's as much a fantasy as reality. I hate to say it, but you'll just have to stick with the calendar. Meantime, the web and your local library - I'd watch what you brought to school - have all kinds of resources, stuff you can study, and get an idea of what I'm talking about. In particular, although I think he's a bit paranoid, read Massad Ayoob's "In The Gravest Extreme", as well as whatever you can get your hands on regarding safe gun handling, types of guns, reloading, whatever. It'll keep you off the streets, and probably drive your mother nuts....)

    You have one positive point going here - your dad is at least interested in this stuff. He and your mom might be able to come to some kind of agreement whereby the two of you can find a local range or some other organization, and both of you can shoot regularly. I think he might like it, and you're going to make everybody nuts until you get a chance. My dad was almost as big an anti as your mom until I came home with a badge on my shirt. (Just a rent-a-cop. My day job involves computers. Armed programmer....)

    Many clubs have "youth day" activities where you can just show up, and somebody will hand you a .22 and point you to a target. (OK, it's more complicated than that, but you get the idea.) See if you can get your dad to take you to one of those. You may have to find it yourself - a counterperson at a nearby gun store (even the WalMart, I suppose) might be able to point something out that's nearby. You won't have to buy anything (except maybe a box of .22's), so mom won't have anything to complain about regarding guns in the house.

    Your school may have a rifle club, too, or something like that - they're getting kind of rare, but.... (When I was in First Grade there were High School kids on my bus with rifles! Horrors....) Boy Scouts? Dunno, but ask....

    Funny thing about my dad - he was in a CCC camp before WWII (look it up :) ), and was a machine gunner! He then spent all of WWII and most of the Korean War in the military. Guess he was "out" on guns because he was medical....

    The guys are right about the driver's license. If nothing else, it'll get you out of the house. You may also meet some nice guys & gals with guns, too. "But Officer, you're not filling that ticket out correctly." (Just ask my daughter.) You will find that getting a car, or trying to get one, will change your priorities.

    Finally, a story.... I used to find shooting galleries at any and all fairs, amusement parks, etc. I was always very tall for my age, so being able to count out the quarters required to step up to the counter and shoot was my milestone there. I got pretty good. (A few week at a YMCA camp with a rifle range also helped.) "Wow, look at me!" Somehow I found a gallery that had pistols. Oops.... I didn't kill anybody (how the heck they get people to work in those booths....), but what looked so easy on TV was impossible. I finally got the hang of it about 10 years later....

    (The wife, btw, isn't interested, but isn't an anti. She's not quite been right since we were at Disney World on our Honeymoon and I found the shooting gallery there.... Wonder if it's still there....)

    Don't look at this as "those old guys are lucky - they can buy whatever they want, and shoot whenever they want." At fifteen, getting mom or dad to buy it for you is a lot more fun. 'Course, you need realistic goals. Mom didn't want to hear about the pony.... Or the Mercedes. My first car was a Studebaker "Lark". Look that one up, too, but promise not to laugh.

    Stay away from drugs, too. It appears that a juvenile drug conviction will permanently bar you from a CHL at this time. You don't want that....

    Regards,
     
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    My best advice: learn spelling, grammar, punctuation, and usage before undertaking adventures in firearms: you'll be much more likely to make the right first impression upon people.
     
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    Yes i know my grammer on the computer is very bad.but when im writing something out i take time to make sure its perfect,and besides how many sixteen year olds pay alot of attention to grammer? After saying that im gonna get all kinds of flak from everyone about how "my sixteen year old daughter won the state spelling bee 8 years in a row". you guys are still really cool.Not alot of people help others out the way you guys do. thanks alot!
     
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    Matt:

    Reminds me of my daughter's IM environment....

    However, please note that our comments about your spelling and grammar aren't intended to belittle you or your abilities.

    Rather, we're looking at "image."

    The "antis" prefer to see us as redneck yokels or psychos worthy of Hitchcock's Norman Bates. Or worse....

    Simply not true.... This group (and others you're likely to find) is populated by men and women from all walks of life, and of all ages. The proverbial "Doctors, Lawyers, and Indian Chiefs".... And Programmers, Police Officers, Shoe Salesmen, Cattle Herders, Dog Breeders, and, well, redneck yokels....

    We try to maintain an atmosphere of professionalism here - to not look like the antis prefer. This requires some care in posting, and sometimes takes a lot of time, but when we're done, while we may not appear to be College Professors, we try to work towards that goal. I've taken an hour to compose a response once in a while - and it's usually been worth it.

    As a Computer Professional for more than 35 years, I'm a seriously good typist, too, which is an advantage, but if you consider that it still took me quite a few minutes to post this, you can imagine that I do a lot more thinking than typing.

    I'm also getting old enough that I sometimes have to wander off and research something (or wander off and use the "facility" - diuretics are a PITA). I don't mind that - I still may screw up, but it looks nice....

    Reminds me of a joke.... A guy goes into a tailor's shop to buy a suit. Tailor hands him one, and he puts it on. One arm is too short, so he asks about it, and is told to "hold your arm like this, and it'll look nice." One leg is similarly off, and he's given similar advice. The jacket is a bit large, so the Tailor suggests holding his stomach "just so." He buys it and leaves. (Nobody said he was too bright.) Of course, he's walking looking something like the Hunchback of Notre Dame mixed with Frankenstein. Couple of old ladies walk by: "Look at that poor man." "But see how well his suit fits!" :D

    I don't know whether you've got other hobbies or not. Some of us do, and some don't. One of the key elements to most hobbies is the "Elmer" principle, however it's called. "Elmer" is an older mentor who we can call upon for advice, and who genuinely enjoys it. (And, usually, who actually knows what he's talking about :eek: .) Wake him up and look out.... And, you can't get all of this from books or just passively surfing the web. Eventually, you become Elmer....

    So, we help each other.... If somebody comes along and asks "how do you take apart an S&W M39 for cleaning", several of us are likely to respond with the details, or at least a URL. Same thing applies to about everything. Everybody's trying to be Elmer. To pay back, in effect, the Elmer that taught me, I pass it along.... 'Course, if you ask me what time it is, I might tell you how to build a watch, but who knows, you might learn something about that, too....

    Besides the flat-out fun of poking holes in paper and hunting if you're into it (not to mention things like gunsmithing, reloading, etc.) this group has also chosen to get involved in something rather deeper. We have come to terms with, or are trying to, the idea that there are people out there against whom we may need to use deadly force to protect ourselves, loved ones, or even complete strangers. And that there are people out there who feel that a dead rape victim is more important than a dead rapist - people who would deny us the right to defend.... This makes for some somber discussion, some cussing, and, the image scenario I started this post with.

    But we're happy to have you here, spelling, grammar, or whatever, notwithstanding. We're here to help each other....

    Regards,
     
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