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ok...its tv but why is there a hog problem!

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by janobles14, Jan 2, 2012.

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  1. janobles14

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    fine...i was wathcing "hogs gone wild" on tv. all i hear about is this huge hog problem across america. well if you havent seen the show then ill nutshell it for you.

    1. client calls because they are scared of a pig infestation for one reason or another.
    2. "professionals" go in and want to trap these things...and half the time just knife them.
    3. yeah! the coast is clear and the world is right!

    ummmmm............i read so many threads on here about how hogs just overrun this and that. i have hunted these things on farms that have had problems and after a few weeks there are about ZERO pigs left. i know of a ranch in texas that developed a pig issue but thought it would be better to make it a less expensive add on to the deer schedule...didnt work.

    damn...these things are not hard to hunt or kill! so why is there such a hog issue? if you have pigs that hurt your land, crop, or herd...kill the bastards! believe me, there are enough of us out there who will do the job for you AND give you pork chops.

    maybe im missing something. if so just let a brother know. if not...call me, i have tons of ammo.
     
  2. Saakee

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    Because they have a prolific rate of breeding. No matter how many you kill, you MISSED that one pregnant sow.
     
  3. tarosean

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    Not enough like minded people nor hunters in general to put a dent in the populations....
     
  4. wyohome

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    I wish we would develop a hog problem in Wyoming. I have time, ammo, and love smoked pig meat.
     
  5. newbuckeye

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    Very common for a sow to have 3 or more litters a year in warm climates....
     
  6. janobles14

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    i get all of this, but i have personally been part of a team that has completely eliminated three pig populations. prolific rate of breeding or not it is a combatibile problem. like i said...give me a call! its me and three SWAT members with NVG and FLIR gear. it doesnt take that long! maybe i am naive but i still dont get it.
     
  7. SimplyChad

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    they also can eat anything and are rather adaptable
     
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    Not that many, but maybe 2.5 litters per year.
     
  9. JohnKSa

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    How did you verify how many there were before you started killing them so you could tell when they were all dead?

    How were these areas isolated to prevent hogs from coming and going at will? What I'm getting at is, how did you prevent any from escaping to other areas where they could repopulate and come back? And how can you be sure that more won't move into the area later?

    From what I can tell, when hogs are pressured in one area, they just move to another area (or maybe become much more wary) until things cool off. Then they come back. And if you really do get them all, more move in. If the first batch found a way to get there, the next batch will too...
     
  10. alsaqr

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    Most folks will not shoot wild hogs while deer hunting for fear it will ruin their chance to zap old mossyhorns. They fail to realize the presence of those wild hogs is quickly decimating the deer population. You can't put a feeder or game plot anywhere in southern OK without attracting wild hogs.

    You can't eliminate wild hogs in any given large area. Trapping is the most effective wild hog control.

    In OK the hog hunting "ranches" are a big part of the problem. They buy hogs for their clients to hunt in their spot and stalk areas. Those hogs get out and multiply like rats. It is also fashionable for Okies to release domestic hogs in the wild: It's illegal but no one enforces it. Some of the hogs i trap and shoot look like dirty show pigs.
     
  11. Carl N. Brown

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    No you do not (to the first part). Feral hogs are a pestilential foreshadowing of the Apocalypse, the death of all that is good and wholesome.

    Landowners, their family and tenants in Tennessee can kill any feral hogs encountered by any legal hunting means but without regard to seasons or bag limits. A landowner can get a permit for himself and up to ten designated persons to use any illegal hunting technique (bait, nightlights, etc). TWRA TN wildlife resources agency regards wild pigs as a target for extermination, and does not advise relocation of pigs. All trapped pigs must be killed by law.

    They are a pestilence to be eradicated. You do not want to develop a wild hog problem. Count your blessings.

    Problem is with the TWRA approach, licensed sport hunters are not allowed to kill wild pigs, since it was canned sports shooting that encouraged people to release wild pigs in many areas in the first place.
     
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    According to Texas A&M researchers, the actual number is around 1.5 litters per year with 5-6 piglets per litter. This was reported in an article published in Quality Whitetails magazine, the journal of the Quality Deer Management Association. Check the June-July 2011 issue, or read the specific article at http://feralhogs.tamu.edu/files/2011/05/Chumming-for-Hogs.pdf

    The author, Dr. Billy Higginbotham, has written a number of articles on the topic of feral hogs. They're well written and easy to read, as well as being very informative. I give this article two thumbs up!
     
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    Where I hunt wild hogs, it is absolutely so thick in the woods, that you can go very few places off of the roads. It is also a fairly large piece of land. There is no way you could kill all of the hogs on this land, and if you did kill all of the hogs on our property, there are still thousands on the surrounding properties to re-invade our land.
     
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    Simple, the natality rate of cottontail rabbits, but the infant survival rate of a grizzly cub. What's hard to figure out about THAT? What I wonder, often, is while we've had pigs around for a long time, their population just exploded about 10 or 15 years ago. But, I figure it's probably just reached the point in that J growth curve where the slope of the curve is increasing exponentially, just my theory. You wildlife biologists will understand that, I reckon. Even cottontails have a classic J population growth curve, and that's with high predation and lower infant survival. I would think the curve is even steeper for something that will kill you if you mess with their babies. :D
     
  15. Carl N. Brown

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    Recent population explosion may be explained by introduction of exotic species like Russian boar for sport hunting where there were previously no pig population.
     
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    Texas has so much agricultural lands and crops are perfect food for hog explosion.
     
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    European wild boar were introduced into Calhoun County in the 30s. They've not been a problem until the last 15 years when they just exploded. There were no feral hogs in this county at the time the Powderhorn Ranch brought in the boars from the San Antonio zoo. All surrounding ranches, including mine, are the beneficiaries of the Powderhorn's wisdom...:rolleyes:..., but they're pretty good eating and fun to shoot.

    To my knowledge, there have been NO introductions of wild boar anywhere near my home county in the last 40 years and there were virtually NO areas in Texas not populated with feral hog or wild boar for the last 40 years, so your explanation would not hold water here.
     
  18. DeepSouth

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    I swear I don't mean this in a rude way but, yes, you are naive. I seriously, seriously, doubt you "eliminated three pig populations" what you most likely did was MOVE them. Which is great for one land owner and bad for another. They are smart, believe it or not, and when you kill a couple they'll be gone for a while but they will return eventually. I shot 3 out of about 15 in one of my pastures about three years ago and I haven't seen them again, but my neighboring land owner has them all over his place he just doesn't care.

    Now, if you are confident enough in your elimination abilities to offer a money back guarantee if they come back then there will be people beating down your door to pay you for your skill set. Who knows, maybe you can do what thousands of other people wish they could do, and if you can you could make yourself a wealthy man, farmers across the country will be throwing money at you.


    Just think of them like roaches, if you see ten then theirs a thousand of them. If you kill twenty, then there's two thousand you didn't see.
     
  19. MCgunner

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    They've made shootin' 'em from helicopters legal in Texas, now. Seems a more effective technique, but it's still an uphill battle.
     
  20. Flintknapper

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    ^^^^^^^ There's your answer folks! (DeepSouth) I concur.


    Unless the hogs were under high fence AND a survey done afterward, then what happened was, THEY MOVED.

    Words or phrases such as "Eradicate, Wipe Out, Completely Removed, etc" should NEVER be used in the same sentence as "Hog". ;)

    Not gonna happen.

    Yes, some folks are better at killing pigs than others. I am happy to hear of success stories and applaud those who make the effort, but it is naive (at best) to think you solved the problem or that hog hunting is "easy".
     
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    um kinda, until you count how much the heli cost to run an hour ($1000 ish after required maintenance which is something like 2 to 1)
     
  22. MCgunner

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    Lotsa BIG, wealth ranches down here. :D Capitalism still rules, here.
     
  23. T Bran

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    There is so much private land that no one is allowed to hunt on. Not saying that it's wrong I get the liability thing but as long as there are these little sanctuaries spread hither and yon you will never kill them all. Heck there is lots of public land in Fl. that you cant hunt on. So no matter what you do you get reinfested eventually it is like fumigating only half of the house.
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  24. Sam1911

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    Actually, based on everything I've read here and elsewhere, the situation is more like having a house full of roaches, and the folks who get out and shoot them are the equivalent of killing a couple of roaches, in one closet, in the basement, in a shoebox.
     
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    No kidding. I know a number of people who would be happy to do it for free, and split the meat with the property owner, to boot.

    I know a whole lot of people who wish the same thing for AZ, and I'm just one of em.
     
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