Ok whats a dum dum bullet?

[lemaymiami]

On another thread (that was closed down...) I said that I'll be very interested in what weapons were involved (and ammo, of course). It will be very interesting to get a clear picture of private weapons ownership in Norway, as well as what weapons are available to purchase legally there. I have zero confidence in most news reports about such an incident. As a personal matter, nothing I was ever involved in as a cop was ever accurately reported by the 'media'. I don't mean not getting the names right, you wondererd if they were even talking about the same incident....

I read somewhere that Samuel Clemons is supposed to have said that if you don't read a newspaper you're uninformed.... and that if you do read a paper you're mis-informed.

 

[Jeff F]

I read that article about the Norway shooter that started off saying he used dum dum bullets. Thats what caught my attention, its been a long time since I have heard that term. The article went on to say they were the kind of bullets normally used by varmint hunters. So if he used a Mini 14 that would Leeds me to believe he was shooting light, less then 55gr ammo with bullets like varmint grenades.

 

[HoosierQ]

Police use hollow point pistol ammunition because pistols are notoriously poor manstoppers and hollow points provide enhanced lethality (or, to be more politically correct, "stop fights faster"). Any concerns about over penetration are purely secondary to that issue.

Yes indeed that is true and I certainly acknowledge that fact too. Also part of the no "front" no "rear" scenario. When a wounded soldier runs back for aid (or is carried) he is out of action...again, good for your mission most likely. A wounded violent felon is "retreating" deaper into society and will likely kill the LEO, another LEO, or another citizen on his way before seeking what medical aid may be available to him. A wounded soldier, regardless of what side he's on, is an unfortunate fellow who's done his job, given a lot to his country, and should be wished Godspeed back home by either side in the fight...assuming he's not fixing to shoot back...I am not talking terrorists here mind you...only soldiers. A wounded felon (terrorist) is just a dangerous fugitive on the loose who happens to be bleeding.

 

[vaupet]

The use of any kind of frangible bullets is in europe strictly forbidden except for hunting purposes.
As hunting is forbidden with handgun, the use of frangible bullets is forbidden in handguns.

Any kind of frangible ammo is known to uneducated journalists (a very large majority) as dum dum (sort of like any black rifle is known as "klasjnikof") It is considered by these same journalist as somekind of misterious ray of death.

as to the rifle used: some sources say he used the swedisch ag3, a HK g3 derivative but on his website he is posing with what looks like a mini 14.

so an easy guess is that he used a semi auto mini 14 in 223 rem with softpoint hunting ammo, largely availible in a hunters country

 

[mortablunt]

@ orionengnr

I hear the "The army uses bullets designed to harm and not kill because it weakens the enemy more to care for a wounded man and the morale is also worse because they have to see their friends in pain (seeing a dead bloody friend staring at you is far worse)." Strangely, I have never heard it from any military guys. From what I have gathered, the term is "Shoot to incapacitate" which means stop the guy from fighting by either killing him, knocking him out, or putting him in so much pain that he can't function. Besides, a wounded man, with the battle's adrenaline in him, can still sustain mortal injuries and dangerously fight for a while before dying, posing a serious risk to our guys. Thank you for busting this myth.

 

[answerguy]

I guess the radio reporter thought it sounded scarier and/or more evil than hollow-point.

Doesn't scary scary, it sounds yummy to me.

 

[JTHunter]

casey44mag - you can also alter a hollowpoint bullet to make it fragment even faster by using a sharp knife to put 2-3 slits across the HP opening. This leaves an "X" shape or "pizza pie" cuts across the top. A bullet altered in this manner has a high probability of disintegrating when it enters flesh. If it does, chances are it won't come out the other side. That's a good thing, right?

 

[mortablunt]

^ JTHunter, that is a very good thing, unless the bullet hits you.

 

[philpost]

I first was exposed to dum dum's as a kid when I read an early Punisher comic in the '70's, and in one panel he was carving crosses into the tips of his ammo.

 

[casey44mag]

I used to cut X's in the tops of my 22 ammo when i was a kid, I didnt really notice any significant advantage when shooting squirells and such. CCI makes a 22 that comes apart its not that spectacular either(In my eyes).
The biggest reason i quit cutting my 22's is i slipped with the knife and bout cut the tip of my thumb off that wasnt a proud moment. I tell ya what works great is Barnes Varmint Grenades! I havent lost a yote yet and have minimal pelt damage to boot, but woodchucks fugetaboutit they just vaporize now if Barnes would make a varmint grenade for a 44 magnum.............................

 

[Stevie-Ray]

My favorite Dum Dums are the watermelon ones.

 

[JTHunter]

Casey - I know what you mean. I gat careless with a second-hand table saw and lost my left thumb from the middle joint 4 years ago.
Good thing I'm right-handed, isn't it?

 

[gym]

I'ts the opposite of a smart bomb. Ever remember seeing an old movie where there is always a guy in the corner before the bank heist scene, cutting an x in each one. You will remember next time you see an old movie. Used obviouslly on lead

 

[animator]

Don't forget they were in Lethal Weapon...


Riggs: "I think you should rest up, Leo. A dum-dum wound can be very serious."
Paul Hipp (I) as Doctor: "What's a dum-dum?"
Riggs: "You don't know? A guy on the force got his thumb shot off by a dum-dum. From the shock, he was dead two days later."
Leo Getz: "Dead two days later? He died from dum-dums?"