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OK you Makorav guys...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Marshall, Oct 16, 2006.

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  1. Marshall

    Marshall Member

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    ......I go into one of my local dealers today and see a beautiful Makorav that has the following markings..........

    BV XXXX 62

    :y Yes, two "dots" and "y" by the grip.

    x100 I believe, very small in a circle, by the front top of the trigger guard.

    And the on the front strap it has, what I believe to be something from the importer, that had a mans name (don't remember it) with some other makings and a 1661 or a 166.

    This gun has no bluing loss at all on the muzzle, slide or frame. I doubt it has ever been carried. It does not say "police" anywhere on the gun and has the wood looking grips with a star. Comes with two mags that don't have any scratches on them, the holster and cleaning rod.

    Can anyone tell me anything about this gun? I imagine it was made in '62?

    Thank you!
     
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    :y should be East German. 1962 was a very prolific year for the EG maks.Lots and lots out there.Great guns too. EG's are probably considered the best of the Makarovs,you know those germans and their obsessive need to engineer things! :evil:
     
  5. Marshall

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    I was told it was East German. Looking at the pictures of the EG Maks on Mak.com, some have the same BV XXXX and the 62 or 63 marked on them. I also see the x100 in a circle, whatever that means?

    Wish I could remember the importers name.
     
  6. Marshall

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    I called and got the info off of the front strap.

    It says:

    Ernst Thaelmann
    IACO MOD ISSUE GERMANY MM1661

    Does that mean anything to anyone?


    Thanks for the links too.
     
  7. berettaman

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    There's a story behind Ernest but I don't really remember it too much.He was the guy in Germany in charge of pistols or something for the EG govt.
    Collectors put a few more dollars on the price for the Ernest Thaelmann stamped guns.
     
  8. Marshall

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    Thank you Berettaman. I google the name and read about him, you're right, he was a real commie. LOL Sounds like one to buy.
     
  9. rudolf

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    Ernst Thälmann was the head of the German communist party when Hitler came to power. He was jailed and later sent to the Buchenwald concentration camp where he was killed.

    East Germany named many places "Ernst Thälmann", including the former Gustloff Werke in Suhl. And that is where your Makarov was made.

    What makes me wonder is the "Issue Germany", as German companies usually write German on their products. I would check if this isn't a later 'value enhancement'.
     
  10. Marshall

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    Thank you.

    I would imagine, guess, that it was put there by the importer International Arms Company (IACO) since it is marked with their initials on the front strap in the same place as the "Ernst Thaelmann" and "MOD GERMANY MM1661" marking. Unless they are marked before they are imported?
     
  11. alamo

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    It sure sounds like an EG. The BV code matches the 1962 production date.

    But the x100 in a circle is confusing. Are sure is it not a "10" in the circle? If so, perhaps it is a mismatched Bulgarian frame with an E. German slide. The serial number on the slide and frame of EG Maks should match. Do they?

    Also check out this link:

    http://www.makarov.com/makfaq.html

    See the circle 10 marking here:

    http://www.makarov.com/graphics/markings.jpg
     
  12. Optical Serenity

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    All this makarov talk makes me want another mak!
     
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    The marking is not "x100."
    It is "K100" and it is an East German inspector mark.

    The pistol you describe is East German milsurp made in 1962. The name markings were added by the importer, Intenational Arms. The Ernst Thaelman factory in Suhl is where all the EG Makarovs were made. After re-unification, the factory was bought out by Simson and was the source of the Simson-Suhl Makarovs.
     
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    The "K100" should be inside a rectangle vs. a circle.
     
  16. Marshall

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    You guys are sharp, you nailed it. That's it exactly.

    From all I have read, it sounds like a good specimen especially considering the shape it's in. And, the EG guns seem to be the ones to have.

    I am sure you all are right on the K100 vs the X and square vs the circle. My eyes are getting to where I can't make out crap close up. :scrutiny:

    I appreciate the links and info! :)
     
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    Break down and get some reading glasses like I did next time you're at Walgreens or other Rx store. Actually my wife bought them and I use them all the time now.
     
  18. Marshall

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    LOL,

    I got some about a year ago but they're always in my breifcase. I use them at work and home but don't ever take them in with me anywhere.
     
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    Well,how much was the dealer asking?
     
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    He was asking $350.00. I bought it this morning. Wanamaker's Gun and Knife Show is this weekend in Tulsa and he's going to have a booth. He would have sold it for asking price pretty quickly. Finding an EG around here is pretty tough, much less in that condition. I'll post some pics once I have shot it, cleaned it, photographed it and have something to say about it. :)

    Again, thanks for the help. :)
     
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    Welcome to the Makarov collective, Comrade!!
     
  22. OldBillThundercheif

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    $350 is flat-out too much.

    I was able to pick up a rooskie "IJ-70" Mak w/ 4 extra mags, holster and rod for $200 OTD the other day. I know that is an insane deal, but that fact does not make $350 seem any more tolerable.

    Time to haggle.
     
  23. Marshall

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    I don't remember saying I paid $350.00, I was asked the asking price. Now, for what I did pay, which wasn't much less, I have the nice gun and not someone else. I would rather have this gun, than buy one for a hundred less, and have a worn blued finish that I don't admire. I would rather the wear be mine.

    Mak.com has EG Mak's for $350.00 plus shipping and transfer fees that are all worn and scratched. You're right, I wouldn't pay that for them.

    Denfoote, thanks for the welcome. :)
     
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    $350 is indeed about the market price for an EG Makarov in excellent condition.
    OldBillThundercheif does not seem to understand the difference between an IJ70 (bottom of the Makarov barrel) and a fine East German Makarov.
     
  25. OldBillThundercheif

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    I have plenty of other maks and have never paid more than $230 for one.

    I did not mean to imply that you paid $350, just that the asking price was a little steep.

    My IJ-70 shoots like a dream and was brand new with an immaculate finish. Only my E.German groups better, but I like the 70s trigger. Give and take... they are all great.
     
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