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Okay Kansas folk ... time to start making noise

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Zundfolge, Apr 5, 2006.

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  1. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Member

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    The new Kansas CCW law has a goofy sign provision, and it looks like the blissninnies who own many businesses (a lot of them banks) are already promising to make their businesses Victim Disarmament Zones.

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    Time to start contacting local businesses and letting them know that if your guns aren't allowed than neither is your money.

    Ohioans have been passing out these little cards:
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    Some enterprising Kansan should start printing them up and passing them out.
     
  2. Car Knocker

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    Is there a legal penalty for carrying in a business that has signage, a bank, for instance?
     
  3. Wastemore

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    I really like those cards.
     
  4. Thylacine

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    I like those cards too. :) Of course we need a site to place the "do not patronize" list.

    I am going to try to make one.
     
  5. WeedWhacker

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    First off, if you're carrying a _concealed_ weapon, who would know to press charges? Secondly, the consequences likely differ from state to state, except when it involves federal, government, or school buildings/areas, though I am still not clear of the consequences for the latter three. (I don't oft frequent them.)

    I understand it to be the case in many states that carrying a concealed weapon contrary to the posted wishes of the owner, it is considered trespassing.

    Is a potential charge of tresspassing (in some states, if you suck at keeping your CCW *concealed*) worth your ability to protect your life and likely the lives of your fellow citizens?
     
  6. TexasRifleman

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    While I agree with your sentiment, we had better luck in Texas by attacking their wallets. Economic boycotting of places that post will work. Continuing to do business with companies that clearly do not have your best interests in mind makes no sense, whether you keep "concealed" or not.

    This happened in Texas early on, everyone was posting the signs. At this point, at least in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, I have not seen a sign posted anywhere I go in at least 2 years. Calling, letter writing, and those little cards WILL work.

    Good luck Kansas, and congrats!
     
  7. Don't Tread On Me

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    Bah... don't sweat it. ALL states went through this when concealed carry passed. Initially, there is this surge of a few extremist businesses that want to show their opposition to the law. It will settle down. Over time, many will just abandon their policies.

    Now, there will always be a few that cling on to their anti-concealed carry policy forever. That's their right. But it's your right not to give them a cent of your money.

    In Florida, there is no law against carrying in a business that prohibits concealed carry. The best they can do is ask you to leave. If you refuse, the police can only charge you with tresspassing for refusing to leave.

    As a few people mentioned in this thread - if it is concealed carry, how would they know in the first place? Almost no one runs metal detectors as belts, keys and everything else would set them off. Now, if they found out, it would most likely mean that someone saw you, that means you printed, or you exposed yourself which in some states can be considered brandishing.

    So who cares what these anti-gun extremists think or say. You can either choose not to patronize their business, or you can just ignore their unenforceable, impotent policy.
     
  8. foghornl

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    Just before the Ohio CCW law passed, we were having "Open Carry Walks"...exactly what it sounds like. People walking in areas with their handguns openly displayed. Even had one on the block around Guv. Booby Daft's residence..right before the CCW law went to his desk for signature.

    Had one in a nearby city (Medina, IIRC, near Akron) 'Public Square'. Lots of Open Carry walkers. Some [ahem] bright store owner put up the usual "No Guns" sign, and then after a bit, saw how much business he was losing to the unposted places, by the numbers of folks NOT entering his store.
    Sign came down in less than an hour.
     
  9. beerslurpy

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    I dont know, we have a GUN RANGE here in clearwater that I refuse to patronize because they ban concealed carry. (Knight's Shooting Sports). I mean, if they dont trust civilians with guns, why do they sell them to us?
     
  10. Zundfolge

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    http://www.ksconcealedcarry.com/

    Thylacine, the attached PDF file should work with Avery 8876 business card sheets you run through your printer.
     
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  11. cropcirclewalker

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    We have 2 banks in my town. One is posted, the other is not.

    I keep my accounts in the one that is not posted. I get my copies of targets in the other one. 5 cents per is the cheapest around.

    Missouri can only ask one to leave, otherwise it's not a crime, so I carry into the posted bank, run my copies, pay the lady, smile and leave.

    KS as I understand is a non person class a misdemeanor to pack into a restricted place. I further think that carrying without the permission slip is the same level of offense.

    Stay the heck out of KS posted places, but be sure to drop off a card.
     
  12. Ezekiel

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    If it's private property, "let'em post."

    Actually, I feel that way regarding all states.

    (The only folks who get upset about this are the ones who would like to carry an AK-47 into a nursery.)

    "Private property" superseeds a variety of public "rights", no?

    Hell, I'm looking most forward into determining who can -- and cannot -- carry on my property: such goes with the concept of having paid for it.
     
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    SOME bank chains in Ohio are posted "No Guns"

    The Fifth Third Bank chain was the first in Ohio to post....minutes after Guv Booby Daft signed the bill into law. Guess which bank chain is the Most Often Robbed in Ohio ? ? ? ? :confused: :confused:



    You got that right...Fifth Third Bank
     
  14. El Tejon

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    foghorn, then why is it that Fifth Third posts "no gun" signs in Ohio but here in Indiana no such signs exist despite the fact that Hoosiers have been carrying before the existence of Fifth Third bank???:confused:

    Why are they afraid of Buckeyes, but indifferent to us?
     
  15. Henry Bowman

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    CCW is not a sport. So many with the "sport" mentality don't get it and never will.
     
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    Not sure why, but they clearly are.
     
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    And what, exactly, is wrong with an AK-47 in a nursery? Does the presence of a large number of very young children somehow make the establishment immune from crime? I rather like the idea of armed guards hanging around with my children. It's why I carry.

    We get upset about it, but we, as a group, are unwilling to support legislation that forces a private property owner to do pretty much anything. We do, however, support the idea of refusing to patronize businesses that post. To force it through legislation is totalitarianism. To force it through our own economic choices is the free market. If somebody want's to post, that's their business. I will take mine elsewhere.
     
  18. Zundfolge

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    And I have just as much a right to not patronize places with signs ... and since most businesses are not in business to make political statements but rather to attract customers and separate them from their money, it only makes sense that we who carry should make it a point to let businesses know that their political position could cost them customers.


    At any rate I don't see anywhere where I called for legislation or for the state to interfere with these idiots "rights".


    Wow ... wonderful use of a strawman flavored nicely with a pinch of hyperbole :rolleyes:
     
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  19. Thylacine

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    Thank you Zundfolge !

    I do not want to dictate. I just want the ones that put the sign up, and that I do wish to do business, to understand why they lost my business. Private property is just that in my view. You can post the signs if you want to do so. I just want to point out "why" I am no longer patronizing them.
     
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    "Double Tap" Board kinda glitched on me. Sorry for the Double Post. So here is a picture to fill this post.[​IMG]
     
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    No Carry Signs

    Those business's that post a sign for no carry will loose my money. I think in time the fear will fade and their greed for money will prevail. Steve 48
     
  22. DonP

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    Huh?

    The Bank lady said:

    "My greatest fear is that someone will take the law into their own hands," Ginther said."

    She's terrified of an armed, law abiding citizen possibly defending themselves or another in one of their branches.

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if someone is robbing the bank haven't they ALREADY taken the law into their own hands?

    Having a robber with a "sawed off" pointed at the face of one of your tellers is somehow safer to her than a citizen that might be carrying in your bank?

    What alternative universe does she live in?
     
  23. Cellar Dweller

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    Wouldn't that open them up to lawsuits, in that yes they can post signs but unless EVERYONE gets a patdown, there can be a pattern of discrimination? Soccer dad gets a pass, biker guy gets a patdown, attractive young lady in skimpy outfit gets a doubleplusgood complimentary patdown, "unattractive" woman (over 30/has kids in tow/not a "hottie" yo!) gets a pass, certain minorities ALWAYS get patdowns, etc.

    Of course patdowns will last only until business drops off or until the first suit gets filed, but still...

    I wonder if Tina Rose will allow me to pat her down because I can't tell if her and her staff aren't "concealing and carrying."
     
  24. Zundfolge

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    I've been to Hero's on a friday night (hated the place ... not a fan of sports bars). They ain't patting everyone down going into that place, its HUGE and would slow the stampede to the bar thus cutting into their profits.

    I've got news for you there Davy ... you never saw my firearm but its been in your crappy overpriced obnoxious sports bar on several occasions when I lived in ICT :neener:
     
  25. tulsamal

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    That's exactly the way it is in OK. They are free to put up their signs. We are free to ignore them.

    I stopped and thought about it the first time I started to go into a bank armed and there was a sign on the door. I went home and got out my CCW book from my OK class. Nope, banks weren't listed as out-of-bounds. So yes, the signs work. If by that you mean people's eyes can read them. But they don't stop people from carrying in your bank! They MAY keep them from opening an account in your bank but that's about it. I opened my account at the bank in Vinita that doesn't have up such signs.

    Gregg
     
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