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Old men rule!!!

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Arkansas Paul, Feb 27, 2010.

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  1. Arkansas Paul

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    I was in a small local gunshop the other day, and there were a couple of guys in there talking to the owner of the place. They were all in their 70s, and here I am, still on the comfortable side of 30. I hung around and listened at first and gradually joined in the conversation. They acted just like I was one of them.

    They were old school handloaders with many, many years of experience between them, and once we were all comfortable with one another, I started picking their brains. They were extremely helpful and willing to answer any questions I had. It was awesome. I ended up staying for over an hour, shooting the bull with these guys. Talking to them, I realized why they're known as the greatest generation ever. They were incredible guys.

    I had questions that I know were basic and elementary to them, but they answered every one of them and never once acted superior because of their knowledge. I am glad to be involved in a hobby that has men like these who are willing to share their wealth of knowledge with relative newbies. When I left, one of the men gave me directions to his house without me asking and told me to stop by anytime and bring my brass and he would show me anything I needed to know.

    I just wanted to share this with you guys. People like that make it even more fun. Sadly, I don't think there are a whole lot left though.
     
  2. ants

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    Very cool, Paul. Them old guys is tops. :)

    Got any newly learned gems of wisdom you can share with us?
     
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    The old guy who taught me to reload and shoot was also like the guys you mentioned. He told me the mistakes I was going to make shooting/reloading before I made them. You just cannot substitute experience.

    We have an "older gentleman" who would come to the pistol matches and pull out his 357 with moon clips and absolutely outshoot us with our semi-autos (he never miss and his tight groups never deviate). First time I saw him shoot, my jaw dropped and murmured "that is not possible ..." He said, "Son, it just takes practice" and we became instant mentor/pupil.
     
  4. Arkansas Paul

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    What they told me was probably pretty basic stuff, just stuff I haven't learned yet. I've only been at this for a short time.

    They were good friends with one another. They reminded me of the two guys in "Grumpy Old Men" when they talked to each other. But brother let me tell you, they knew their stuff.
     
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    I can barely remember the old farts that got my dad and uncles into hunting and loading. They are gone now. But the traditions that were eventually passed from them to my generation are priceless. Surely they have made happen what might not have.

    I had forgotten that. Sincerely,thanks for the post.
     
  6. Randy1911

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    I have learned that older folks are the best source of wisdom to be found.
     
  7. Arkansas Paul

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    I truly hope that one day, I'll be that old guy at the counter, sharing what I've learned with youngsters.
     
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    Knowledge/wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from making bad judgments/mistakes.

    Older guys have been there and done that and alive to talk about it all. :D
     
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    A little respect and a polite manner can get you a lot of info from an older guy.
     
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    The old guys that I learned my reloading skills from came from that same mold. I have been that guy to quite a few young guys myself. They know what time I'm home and when to call, some come and visit at the shop with me. I guess that's the good part of getting older.

    Jimmy K
     
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    Years and Years ago almost 60 actually, an older man told me, When the old guys start talking, be quite, you'll learn more.
     
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    And be very respectful of Little Old Ladies.
    Even us old farts are afraid of them.

    I know one that's approaching 90 and she shoots a SSA .45 LC like she was born with it in her hand.

    She'll teach you more about trigger control than you ever wanted to know.

    AFS
     
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    Like a lot of folks here I've benefited from the knowledge and generosity of some older shooters. I've been privileged to play that role for others but I'm really looking forward to this summer. We have some dear young friends. They already shoot but want to learn muzzleloading and how to reload. Their two little girls (my wife and I are honorary aunt and uncle) are old enough to learn to shoot and they've asked us to help. It's some extra eyes on the girls and I get a little extra authority form age and the white beard. :rolleyes: There's nothing like the look on a youngster's face when they first make the steel target clang with their 22.

    Jeff
     
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    Soundsl like the gunshop I am heading to right now. Congrats finding a home.
     
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    Sometimes I'll head to the range loaded and ready to go for the day. Many a day has been derailed by sitting in on a BS session with the old timers, worth the time IMO.
     
  16. Seedtick

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    I'm A Central Arkansan too.....

    Paul,

    What shop are you talking about?

    ST

    :)
     
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    I always always always listen to the old guys. It's how I've learned 75% of what I know beyond the basics.
     
  18. Arkansas Paul

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    Seedtick, it's a little gunshop in Lincoln Square shopping center in Benton. It's called Arkansas Gun Traders.
     
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    Thanks Paul. I think I've heard about it but I've never been to it. Sounds like a fun place to hang out.

    ST

    :)
     
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    I am well on my way to being one of those that you talk about.:) Be patient and you will one day become one of them yourself. Remember that day then and pass on the culture.:D
     
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    Hey Arkansas Paul and Seedtick...

    If you ever get up a little farther north there is another shop just like the one you're talking about...Heber Guns on Hwy 25 B north... in Heber Springs. Always have the checker board out, the coffee pot on and some mighty friendly folks and customers.

    I'm not an expert, just an old (age 73) customer but come on down :)
     
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    They are a treasure store of knowledge just waiting to be asked. The problem is that too many young folks already know it all and won't listen.
     
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    One of the best educations on handloading, and guns in general, you'll ever get is by visiting a benchrest tournament. One of the guys I met at a big bench match was only half jokeing when he told me that benchrest competition is a game for rich old men. Which seems true enouch when you look at their pricey rifles and equipment, and a lot of them are into their 60's and even well beyond. But you can pick up some valuable knowledge just by listening to what those old guys have to say and by asking a few questions. And when you see the tiny groups those old guys shoot it's obvious they know what they're talking about.
     
  24. Arkansas Paul

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    You're right jimmyray. My dad always told me that there was a reason God gave us two ears and only one mouth.
     
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    I am in my eighties now -- it wasn't until I was in my forties that I realized my father wasn't as ill-informed as I thought he was when I was in my twenties.
     
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