Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Legionnaire, Sep 25, 2020.
But of the powders listed by the OP, I’d go with Unique.
Of the powders you listed I’ve only loaded Titegroup. But it depends on your application as well, the faster powders lend themselves to a target load while the slower powders are better for full power loads. I don’t have a favorite powder, but am using Sport Pistol at an unbelievable rate for my target/competition loads currently. If you can get some N320/N330/N340 they all work well for their respective speeds. I’ve recently been experimenting with W244 as a replacement for my W231 loads and it’s been promising. Good luck!
TiteGroup - narrow range of weights, but works well for 9mm target loads, some coated bullets have issues, plated or jacketed OK
HP38/W321 - the old standby works well, for accuracy need to load toward the high end
W-244 - the new cleaner replacement for HP-38, seems to be good, but not enough experience with it to make it my favorite
WSF - used only 1 lb, but produced excellent accuracy with RMR 115 FMJ bullets
Power Pistol - lot of flash, but it does produce accurate loads - not my choice but works if nothing else is available
---- Not Recommended for 9mm ----
Universal - bad results for me, dirty, and not accurate, have friends that like it however
International - very small loads and easy to get over pressure results with 9mm, works really well for .45 ACP (5.0 g - 230g bullet, 5.2g - 200g bullet)
I was looking for about a 128 130 PF load
Mixed range brass, 5" 9mm 1911, S+B SP, charges as thrown after setting measure
Time: 11:17:44 AM
Hi Vel: 1016
Low Vel: 1001
Ave Vel: 1008
Ext Spread: 15
Std Dev: 6
4.0 Sport Pistol 124 RMR MPR JHP 1.08
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1010 125.24 280.845
1001 124.124 275.862
1011 125.364 281.401
1016 125.984 284.191
1002 124.248 276.413
so 4gr was not quite enough
(note, this is a high mileage barrel probably 40K rounds on it)
Time: 11:19:12 AM
Hi Vel: 1059
Low Vel: 1021
Ave Vel: 1037
Ext Spread: 38
Std Dev: 13
4.2 Sport Pistol 124 RMR MPR JHP 1.08
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1059 131.316 308.756
1033 128.092 293.781
1040 128.96 297.776
1036 128.464 295.49
1021 126.604 286.995
4.2gr of Sport Pistol got me there and seemed to shoot well for me.
Here are Alliant' sport pistol data, MAX loads, reduce 10% to start
I liked Sport Pistol, but I still like WSF better.
I have made her some to try, and she didn't show it any love. She likes her Unique and 147 grain bullets
Very versatile powders those you mention
In my experience, this certainly happens when you aren't loading it stout. When I load it hot(5.2 grains or more), it tends to burn incredibly clean. My pet load with it is 5.4gr behind a 124xtp seated at 1.11 COAL. I have run all the way to 6.2(WARNING: THIS IS BEYOND PUBLISHED LOAD DATA, SO DON'T START HERE!!!!), but the accuracy wasn't there. Velocity was great, but accuracy dropped like a rock. 5.4gr, which is borderline max load/over depending on manual, gave me the best accuracy in my glock 17. Personally, I recommend starting around 4.2 grains, and then work your way up.
Next up will be some 124 grain Hornady XTPs and some 124 grain RMR JHPs. Thanks to @Dudedog for sending me some RMR bullets to check out. And thanks all for the suggestions. I see Sport Pistol in the future.
I am still planning to experiment with the powders originally listed: Green Dot, Longshot, TiteGroup, and Unique. RMR recommends 1,100 fps, and I have found load data for all four powders that should get there at less than the maximum listed charge. I'll be testing with the aid of a Labradar.
did any of my cleaning pins escape CA for Texas in the brass I sent?
I think one may have phoned home as all my other pins want to go to your house in TX..
(think I got most of them but double check the brass just in case. It's easy to miss them when they want to leave)
Hopefully the MPRs work out well for you.
Work has been killing me recently. Haven't been able to do much on the bench, haven't shot in a couple of months, and on top of that, my range was closed for reconstruction. I had no idea all that they were going to do to it. Total investment was over $300K. But it just reopened, and I'm hoping to do some testing in the next couple of weeks.
I've used Titegroup, Universal, W231. All 3 have been just as good as the next.
But I have to admit I haven't used 115gr bullets.
All of mine were made with 124/125gr from various sources, some lead, some plated & some fmj.
You will have to use older Alliant or Hercules data for Green Dot as there are so many powders GD has lost favor with many data publishers though the old data works fine. I've been loading FMJ's, Copper Plated and LRN bullets with Green Dot for target loads at modest velocities since I picked up a 4lb Keg from supplies donated to my gun club from a members estate. Over the years I have also used Red Dot for the same purpose. The small sub 4gr loads with these powders make the powder last a long time. TightGroup is a fast powder that would work fine for the same purpose.
About the slowest powder that will give some use in the 9mm is Blue Dot or AA7.
Longshot and 2400 are powders too slow for the 9mm and its small low volume case. You just can't cram enough of these powders behind a bullet to get an efficient load with decent velocity and enough pressure so the load wouldn't be extremely dirty.
9MM with jacketed bullets. As posted though, a number of powders work very well.
N310 is my first pick for “minor” loads, I have loaded hundreds of thousands of these for gun games and practice.
N320 & tightgroup would go in #2 & 3 for minor loads, just a bit slower than N310, N320 is a cleaner powder than TG but TG is cheaper. Also loaded hundreds of thousands of these too.
I don't know about 2400 but Longshot works in 9mm.
Longshot is loud and flashy but it works and gives good vels. (at least in my testing) Longshot is fairly dense VMD around .082
So a for a charge of 5.7gr (MAX listed with a 124 FMJ by Hodgdon) the powder volume is about .47 CC same space as about a 4gr charge of Red Dot..
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