Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by 74man, Sep 30, 2021.
About 99% of the 223 I've loaded has been with ball powder. I assure you it's small enough to trickle right out thru the flash hole like sand thru an hourglass (don't ask me how I know ).
my wife don’t use nail polish and I don’t want funny looks at the drug store
If I have primers falling out I on there own, they go to the recycle bin. Now if one feels loose when setting it, I test with a punch. If I can push it out will little effort it's pulled from the cycle and put in a special bin. With the primers I'm using, I know I can change mfg and get a tighter fit. So they will be loaded with a different primer till they get loose then to the recycle bin.
This could potentially be hazardous to your health, that and ruin your rifle.
If your primers fell out in the tumbler, most likely some or all of the powder came out too. So to keep you from having a squib load I would pull the bullets & check the powder in those rounds that the primers fell out of. It's a bad trick if your brass is that loose it should be tossed & replaced.
OP said he was tumbling primed brass, not loaded rounds. No powder involved.
But, nail polish is still a bad idea to compensate for worn out brass. Also have to wonder how much polish got inside the primers when he seated them before the polish dried. I don't think old timers got old by using this "old timers trick". The key word here may be "trick".
74man, where do you shoot?
Having difficulty with this post:
If your primers are falling out of the primer pocket:
a) they have been loaded and fired beyond their useful and safe life;
b) they have been loaded too hot and the pockets have expanded
Either way, you should toss 'em into the scrap bucket. They will definitely damage the bolt face with extremely hot, high pressure gas leaking from around the primers if you continue to shoot them.
2/10… Do not recommend.
all joking aside, this does not sound safe.
It sure read like loaded ammo to me... Regardless, it's a bad idea. The trick may be on you, OP... play it safe and don't do it.
trying to use used brass.
Until you invest irreplaceable time in
it, you won't know if it's any good or not
I agree, they are not worth it.
I'd chuck 'em in the recycle bucket.
Just my n2¢ worth.
But it's your gun, you do whatever you like.
Not like you need anyone's permission.
It's kind of confusing the way it's worded,
but the whole scenario is confusing.
I saw some "old timer tricks" from my grandpa years ago. Not necessarily reloading related, since he never got into it...but I saw him almost burn his barn down trying to smoke out some bees to get their honey. Sometimes, the trick is it only works sometimes. The times those tricks don't work can be catastrophic.
So are the days of our lives.
As for tricks of the trade from old timers...I love them. But I always think about them before deciding whether they're for me or not.
I would not, for example, change the oil viscosity on our modern cars between summer and winter seasons, like in days of old. Bad juju.
And my father-in-law's electrical practices were sometimes quite scary. "Dad, how is it you've never burned your garage down in all these decades?" "Ah, shoot! I've never had any problems!"
That's right up there with smoking a second cigarette so the propane from the leaky tank you're fixing doesn't make you nauseous.
Pressures for a defined cartridge don't change over time.
From a mechanical standpoint, your solution neglects the function of the pocket/primer interference fit. That fit needs to seal the low pressure gas as combustion is starting until the pressure increases enough to expand the primer cup into a hard seal against the pocket walls. If the interference fit isn't tight enough, and a leak starts at low pressure, it will be a bigger leak at high pressure and you've just created the world's tiniest cutting torch.
While it's hard to precisely predict how little interference you can get away with, "falling out during tumbling" is way, way, WAY too loose.
Most US military brass is crimped and has a moisture resistant sealant. The crimp is there to keep the primer in place during feed, and while it is not effective, it may keep primers in the case during extraction with over pressure rounds.
I could tap some of the primers out of this brass, but they stayed in during extraction. I picked up USMC ammo, and not all of their primers stayed in.
A risk with loose primer pockets, even if the primers are "cleverly" glued in, is that the primer will still fall out on feed, in an AR15, and will still fall out during extraction. When the cartridge ignites, with a non lubricated case, in a non lubricated chamber, the primer backs out to the bolt face, then the case stretches to the bolt face, stuffing the primer back in the pocket. That will break the glue bond. Gas guns eject violently and loose primers go flying. I had one drop down into the trigger mechanism of a match AR15, and I had to leave the match so I could knock out the trigger pins and get the thing at the bottom of the lower. That loose primer was sticking to the bottom of the trigger mechanism and I could not pull the trigger.
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