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Old WWII saber.

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Jonah71, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. Jonah71

    Jonah71 Senior Member

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    I was given an old saber from WWII that (according to the person who retreived it from the body of a dead soldier. He wasn't carrying it but was impaled by it.) Anyway back to the facts....It is about 3' long double edge tip on first 6". Made by Collins & C0. Hartford. Also has on the blade ACERO FINO ------TIZADA and (I can't read all of it)-GITIMU. Has a brass hilt. Hardwood kinda greenish brown in color. Also No. 216. Is this for real as far as era etc. No interest in selling. Just curious. Still looks like old oxidized blood on the blade.
     
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  2. mg.mikael

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    If your gonna tease us with this post at least post some pics, please.
     
  3. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

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    Photos

    Could we have a picture or six?

    I'm not familiar with the make, but a few photos would help get an idea of design, fit & finish, stuff like that.

    I'll see what I can find on Collins.

     
  4. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

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    Collins

    First up, there's this page.

    Which has this paragraph:
    And the pictures linked above are these:
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  5. Cosmoline

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    "GITIMU" is likely part of LEGITIMUS which was part of the Collins stamp. No. 216 is the style of blade.

    "TIZADA" is likely part of "GARANTIZADA" as in "garantizada calidad" or guaranteed quality.

    I believe these were sold along with working machetes to the South American market. Could be 19th century but would likely be later 19th century if I'm reading the stamps correctly--after the manufacture of mass produced bar stock blades became common.

    Acero fino is the stamp that means fine made or good quality, and was used on steel from Collins Co. They were a pioneer in the mass production of working blades.

    http://www.vikingsword.com/rila/index.html

    You'd probably need access to a book for Collins collectors to get a date certain and to see if it has any connection to WWII (it probably doesn't, but who knows). Not sure who would have been impaling whom on such a blade at that point.
     
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    So where's the PICTURES?
     
  7. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    That would not be hardwood.
    If Collins had anything to do with making it, it is green Buffalo horn.

    Legitimus Collins machetes had a wide following & a corporate presence, in all developing countries during the late 19th and early 20th century when they were being settled by caucasians & turned into plantations of various sorts.

    I could see about anything made by Legitimus Collins turning up in a dead body in the south pacific islands or New Guenna fighting in WWII.

    Assorted Collins machetes:
    There is a #216, probably like yours, at top of this tiny photo.
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    rc
     
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  8. bikerdoc

    bikerdoc Moderator Staff Member

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    RC,

    You are amazing.
     
  9. Jonah71

    Jonah71 Senior Member

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    Thanks folks. That's just what I wanted to find out. It's going (as is) in a case on my wall. Didn't really expect it to be worth much $. But it's an interesting piece for me. With the exception of an old pair of German binocs, some empty mortor canisters, and a few old mags from a B.A.R.,and a few medals (both German & American) I have almost no WW II stuff.
     
  10. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

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    More Pix

    Found a few more pix of Collins work.

    Page is here. It's an earlier piece, but a nice example of the art.

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  11. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Don't confuse the Collins, Hartford, Conn. civil war officers swords with the later Legitimus Collins Co of Collinsville Conn. who made mostly machetes & fighting knives like the V-44, #1029 Bolo, and #37 Signal Corp machete during WWI & WWII.

    The Legitimus Collins Co. linage goes all the way back to the Collins Co, but I don't know the exact history. Oh wait!
    Here it is:

    http://www.yesteryearstools.com/Yesteryears Tools/Collins Pt. 1.html

    Interesting stuff!

    rc
     

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