Omg- SIL left her gun in the vacation rental!

[hps1]

One question remains unanswered and that is how can the carrier accept a firearm for shipment when it is unknown if it was unloaded?

Regards,
hps

 

[George P]

How would ANY carrier know whether a gun is unloaded or not? They do not open the package.

 

[George P]

How would that be different than a company who repairs or modifies firearms shipping a gun back to the owner?

Because they are a FFL following the law about returning a gun they repaired

 

[Zaydok Allen]

How would that be different than a company who repairs or modifies firearms shipping a gun back to the owner?

Because if you shipped it to the manufacturer for repair and are the owner, they know you already passed a background check to buy the gun in the first place.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

One question remains unanswered and that is how can the carrier accept a firearm for shipment when it is unknown if it was unloaded?

Regards,
hps

I’ve always been asked if it’s unloaded and if there is any ammo in the box. Of course the answer is no, but they’ve never checked.

 

[hps1]

I’ve always been asked if it’s unloaded and if there is any ammo in the box. Of course the answer is no, but they’ve never checked.

Right, but the monkey would be on consignor's back should that be found to not be the case. In this situation, it would seem that the shipper could not confirm the fact without opening the locked container. If the firearm happened to be loaded and somehow discharged in transit, all bets are off........just wondering.

Regards,
hps

 

[dogtown tom]

When would this be applicable but not a crime?

Btw- I am not arguing in anyway... we all agree she made a grave mistake. Most of us agree she should have gone back. Im interested in better understanding the situation. Its a weird situation at that- because there shouldnt be an issue sending personal property back to the owner, except the tangled web of laws designed to thwart either crime or liberty (depending on viewpoint).

Shipping YOUR OWN firearm, To YOURSELF, is one of the exceptions to an interstate transfer through a licensed dealer. Other exceptions include acquisition pursuant to a lawful bequest and the return of a repaired or replacement firearm from a licensed dealer/manufacturer.

SIL did not do that, another nonlicensee shipped the firearm.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may...s-or-her-use-hunting-or-other-lawful-activity
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier

 

[dogtown tom]

How would that be different than a company who repairs or modifies firearms shipping a gun back to the owner?

First, she received the firearm FROM a licensed dealer, who apparently did not record the acquisition and disposition, didn't have the SIL complete a Form 4473 or NICS.

The return of a repaired or replacement firearm FROM a licensed dealer or manufacturer is an exception to the requirement for a 4473/NICS.

 

[wickedsprint]

This is the most effective solution.

We don't know how much value the gun and box has for the owner. If I'd made it all the way back on a thousand-plus mile trip and realized I'd left one of my typical carry guns back in this manner, I'd contact the establishment and politely request they turn the locked box over to their local law enforcement agency. I'd let them know I'm contacting that agency myself to have them pick it up from the front desk, then I'd simply write that gun off unless I was planning a return trip any time soon. If it were a gun valued at, say, more than $350, then I'd at least look into some of the suggestions others above have brought up.

Additionally, When on vacation, we keep car keys in safe to minimize risk of leaving items behind.

 

[RETG]

This is the most effective solution.




Additionally, When on vacation, we keep car keys in safe to minimize risk of leaving items behind.

That's a good idea if you are going to take public trans. Only time I did not carry a gun while living out of a hotel was when when I went to Disneyworld with a lady friend and her kids back in the 90s, and I made arrangements with the manager to lock the gun/ammo in his office safe. Did not trust the 50 buck safe in the room.

 

[George P]

I have never had an issue with the safes I have found in hotel rooms; they are a lot better made than most sold to the public of equal size

 

[FROGO207]

The rental entity took a risk as well. The safe could have contained illegal drugs or such. They took someone elses word on contents. Also she may have had to open the container for them to get serial number to fill out the 4473. That state may not require a wait if you already own said firearm. Just sayin.

 

[George P]

Because if you shipped it to the manufacturer for repair and are the owner, they know you already passed a background check to buy the gun in the first place.

No, they do not. Many states allow folks to purchase guns FTF in personal sales. Secondly, a gun going back could be older and from the time before background checks - which in the scheme of things is fairly recent

 

[Martin248]

Have the property owner take it to a gun store and have the store sell it. Collect money from the sale, reimburse the property manager, and use what's left to buy a new gun.

It's going to be cheaper than making a return trip, taking time off work, or convincing anyone to ship it across state lines and it'll make sure the gun is disposed of in a legal way.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I have never had an issue with the safes I have found in hotel rooms; they are a lot better made than most sold to the public of equal size

And every maid in the hotel knows the override code

 

[WestKentucky]

I’m glad this ended well, but it does bring up a lot of questions and even more legal ridiculousness. There are reasons for a lot of laws. There are motivations and intents for others. These laws get in the way of doing what is right at times. The most correct thing to do in this circumstance is to call the property manager, mail the key and a $20 bill to them for their trouble, they clear the weapon and make it safe to mail, and mail it to the owner COD. There is no reason for overnight shipment, transfers, etc. BUT that’s not legal.

Another question of interest... assume for this argument that the property manager is a felon... can they legally do anything at all to help the lady out? Again, it’s bureaucracy in the way of what’s right.

 

[George P]

And every maid in the hotel knows the override code

Maybe where you stay; the ones I have stayed in they do not. In fact they explicitly state that if you do not leave it open and unlocked when you leave, you will be charged for a locksmith service call to come and open it.
Besides, it's easy enough to not have the maid come in - leave the DND sign on the door handle

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Maybe where you stay; the ones I have stayed in they do not. In fact they explicitly state that if you do not leave it open and unlocked when you leave, you will be charged for a locksmith service call to come and open it.
Besides, it's easy enough to not have the maid come in - leave the DND sign on the door handle

Let me know how that works for you

 

[theotherwaldo]

So, the hotel boxed it up, mailed it to an FFL, and then he just turned it over with no paperwork. Yikes! How many laws/regulations were broken.

-Just another thread that I really didn't want to read on the PUBLIC internet... .

 

[George P]

Let me know how that works for you

Works for me all the time; never an issue. I leave guns, laptops, cameras, etc in those safes regularly, no big deal.

 

[Robert]

Since the issue was resolved and we are wandering off topic I'm going to pull the plug.