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One handgun and one long gun for self defense and reliabilty.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by albanian, Jul 26, 2005.

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  1. albanian

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    OK, here is the situation, you have to grab ONE handgun and one long arm (shotgun or rifle) and defend your self in an urban setting. You are not going to war, only defending yourself so no need for sniper rifles since you don't want to pick fights. Most of the shooting will probably be done at very close range and lets say only a few bad guys at a time. You don't have to be Rambo but if the gun fails, you will probably be killed. You should be familiar enough with the gun that you can handle it in the dark and under stress. You also need to be 100% confident in it's reliabilty and function.

    Here is the situation I envision, short term chaos like a riot or a natural disaster that causes people to act like animals for a while. They may be after your skin or your stuff but you have to fend them off. You may not be at home so the guns should be packable and fast into action when needed.

    As for a handgun, I will still take my Beretta 92fs over anything but once my SA XD-9 proves itself, it may be a lighter choice.

    For a long gun, I have to go with a pump action shotgun. A 12ga pump is reliable and fast pointing and one shot does the trick. Probably my Rem 870 12 but I would like an extended mag as well. It just holds 5 at the moment but with the extension, I think it will hold 7. That is plenty since it reloads without having to drop a mag or anything. You can shoot once or twice and top off, repeat as needed. It is fast once you get used to it. In fact, if you have ammo at the ready, it is almost like a never ending belt fed. :D

    I have several AR-15s but the chance of a jam is too great. My SKSs have all been reliable but they are long and heavy and slow to reload. Revolvers are the reliabilty kings but they take way too long to reload unless you are very good with them, which I am not.
     
  2. stevelyn

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    Urban setting, close range, likely target rich environment.
    Longarm would be a Benelli Super 90, handgun would be a Glock 17.
    The reason for the Glock is obvious-mag capacity and reliability.

    Choosing the Benelli is based on the ease of doing the "Select Slug" drill. IOW pulling back the bolt to eject the chambered round without the trigger being pulled eliminates having to dump out an extra round that has been released from the magazine and positioned on the lifter.
     
  3. Darkside852003

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    Dan Wesson PM1-S, and my Remington 870 HD.
     
  4. HighVelocity

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    870 Police and 5" Kimber 1911.
     
  5. C-grunt

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    Glock 22 for the pistol. Powerfull and very reliable.

    AK47 for the rifle. Good for close range and out to a couple hundred meters. Plenty of power and good for multiple targets in one area. :evil:
     
  6. 22-rimfire

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    In a high stress target rich environment, I would go with a Glock Model 22 or 23 with as much magazine capacity as you can get. Long gun would be a Remington 870 police shotgun with Aguila minishells-Buck size shot vs solids.
     
  7. R.H. Lee

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    Yeah, definitely a short barrel riot shotgun, probably an 870 or Winchester Defender only because I'm familiar with and trust both. Loaded with #1 or 00 buckshot. Handgun - Colt or Springfield milspec + lots of loaded mags.
     
  8. R.H. Lee

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    Yeah, definitely a short barrel riot shotgun, probably an 870 or Winchester Defender with a sling only because I'm familiar with and trust both. Loaded with #1 or 00 buckshot. Handgun - Colt or Springfield 1911 .45 milspec + lots of loaded mags.
     
  9. nico

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    I'd have to say CZ-75 (with a few 25 round mags) and a short barreled shotgun. Probably a Benelli or SX2 practical as I don't have any experience with pump actions and, being pretty short, I'm not sure how comfortable using the pump would be.
     
  10. Dionysusigma

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    If we are to use only what we have, I'll take my SAR-1 and my Vektor SP-2.

    If we are to have a budget of $50,000 and a fully-stocked store to choose from (with very short lines to the cash register and a BATFE office next door :D), I'll take a Vector Arms V-53 SBR (basically an MP5 chambered in .223/5.56 with a flash suppressor added) and a Glock 20.
     
  11. SnakeEater

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    Handgun: Glock, any fullsize model will do.

    Rifle: M14 scout type rifle w/ aimpoint
     
  12. Cesiumsponge

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    Springfield GI .45...Operator if I wanted to get fancy with a light.

    If I'm to use ammo that I have, the my longarm choice is my Saiga-12 shotgun. AK reliability, 12ga power, never skipped a beat. If its pick and go with ammo, I can't rely on the Saiga since low recoil shells won't cycle it should I come across any. If that is the case, Mossberg 590 with the works, with an attached M9 bayonet as a safeguard during reloading in an unavoidable hostile area.

    I could choose my Bushy carbine. I've never had any jams or feed problems out of it so far but I hear about 50/50 on it being a jammomatic/workhorse.

    For fantasy weapons, "Say hello to the Chinese M1L1 triple-pulse assault rifle. Rotating barrel, thousand round capacity, auto-cooling, water-tight."
    5 barrel rotating assembly, built-in tactical illuminator and red dot optic, 1000 round top-loading helical magazine bullpup chaingun :D

    Obscure crappy movie. Looks like they built it off a Calico with other addons. Dunno if the rear is fabricated or came off another gun.
     

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    I'm gonna go with what I have. Probably either the 870 or the SKS, and the 1911.

    My reasoning is if I have time to go out and buy special guns, knowing there is gonna be problems, that time and money would be better spent leaving the area.
     
  14. Legionnaire
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    Glock 23 with several spare mags.

    Bushy carbine with Aimpoint. While I like the shotgun idea and considered the 18.5" barreled Mossberg 500, grabbing the AR and four magazines gives me 120 rounds immediately to hand. I'd need a small backpack to carry that much shotgun ammo!
     
  15. Father Knows Best

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    How many attackers am I likely to face at a time? Do I need to be able to move, or am I staying put in a location I can fortify?

    I'd lean toward a rifle over a shotgun. A rifle gives you a lot more effective range, higher mag capacity, quicker reloading and lighter ammo (meaning you can carry more of it). In addition, at very close ranges the shotgun's spread (even from a short cylinder choke) is not enough to significantly raise the hit probability.

    For a long arm, I'd take my Arsenal SA M-7S (semi-auto AK clone in 7.63x39) with Kobra red dot sight on it. It's compact, lightweight and as reliable as they come. All it needs right now is a folding stock to be an almost perfect urban defense weapon. I can carry four spare mags, giving me a total of 150 rounds and the ability to handle threats out to 100 meters with ease.

    For a sidearm, I'd probably take the Glock 22 (full size .40) if I didn't have to worry about ammo resupply. If I'm going to need to find ammo in the field, I might opt for a 9mm or whatever it is I think will be readily available.
     
  16. Rob62

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    While the shotgun is without a doubt an awesome weapon. I believe that (arguably) a carbine or rifle is more suitable for a general purpose long gun given this senario.

    So my choices are a Glock G17 9mm pistol, and Bushmaster AR15 clone rifle/carbine in .223/5.56.


    Rob
     
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    Full size 1911 Colt and a Winchester 94 in .30-30.
     
  18. thereisnospoon

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    Based on your scenario I think my pistol would be my Glock 23, mainly because it is ultra-reliable and very powerful, plus moderate round count (13+1).

    Although I really like my 870, my "carbine" would be my Volunteer Arms Commando Mark III in .45 caliber (A "tommy gun" clone). It is very reliable, accurate and with 3 spare sticks I have 120 rounds of 45 to contend with my attackers...and in Urban combat, ranges will probably be less than 50 feet(?).

    If the scenario were any different it woulb be the MBR .308 M1A and the Glock...
     
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    Winchester 1300 12ga (since its what I've got), slugs for that 'you, die now!' effect, and a glock in 9mm or .45
     
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    If this is based on what we already, really have:

    Handgun
    HK USP .45 Compact - The firearm I shoot the best, and I should only be using it in a dire emergency or having it out while reloading mags in between skirmishes.

    Rifle
    DSA SA58 Carbine with a red dot mounted - nice and short, plenty of power, intermediate barriers are not a problem and it can reach out and touch someone if need be.



    If I could have anything for the job:

    Handgun
    HK USP .45 Compact - same reasons as above

    Rifle
    HK G36k - mounted red dot, light ammo and it has "da switch". :D - Though I don't know really, I'd still find it hard to turn down the DSA even if I had a full-auto G36k. I think I put it in there not because I'd want it for this situation, but rather, just because I want it. So yeah, I'd ask for one of these, but probably take my DSA anyway. :)
     
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    Glock 20 10mm with beaucoup 15 rd. mags

    Springfield Scout Squad with iron sights
     
  22. Ridge

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    Model 10 Smith and my Hi-point 9mil carbine,I use them hunting and in home defense,I am just as good with one as I am with the other,plus I have 200-300 rounds on hand for each most of the time.
     
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    Marlin 1894C in 357 and a S&W 13 3" loaded with 165gr LRNFPGC pushed to about 1100 to 1200 in the revolver, should go around 1600 to 1700 out of the rifle. I would remove or fold down the tang sight from my 1894 and put on a Williams 5D and a Merit adjustable peep disc to fit. Give me a good OWB holster for the 13 and a good sling for the 1894C and a possibles bag split in half with one side full of loose rounds for the Marlin and the other full of moonclips for the 13.
     
  24. entropy

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    If it's from my current collection, I'd skip the Star BM (currently my only centerfire pistol) and take my 870 and my Yugo SKS. I'd carry the 870 at low ready with the SKS across the back; the 870 should do the job for antipersonnel duty up close, and be a 'break contact weapon' against farther targets, buying me time to get to cover and switch weapons. Both of these weapons function flawlessly, and would cover 99% of urban defensive operations.

    If this is a fantasy thread, my 'pistol' would be an MP5SD, and my rifle a Bushy Carbon-15 with a can on it. :evil:
     
  25. Biker

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    My Glock 23 and my pre-ban Bushmaster carbine along with my 13 30 rd mags. Damn, wish I had a bayonet....
    Biker
     
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