One of the first CCW shootings out of Chicago that made the news?

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

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    Pretty sure this is one of the first CCW shootings in Chicago that made it in the news. Notice they referenced the Michigan Home Depot incident where the female CCW blazed away at shoplifters.





    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Police-Man-Shot-to-Death-After-Attempted-Robbery-of-Gage-Park-Business-339159632.html





     
  2. ljnowell

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    There have been a few others, like the UBER driver. The media simply ignores it when it doesn't fit the narrative of "concealed carry is bad."
     
  3. Mike J

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    NBC can't say the armed citizen did an armed job & let it go at that. They are determined to try to cast any citizen using a gun to defend themselves or others in a negative light. It seems as if the citizen in this situation did well. The mainstream media are a bunch of biased hacks. They are little more than the propaganda machine of the left wing political movement.
     
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-concealed-carry-20151101-story.html

    this article has a stepson of the deceased claiming that CCW shooters should be able to "wound first" and "kill next"

    where do people get this stuff??
     
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    I find it interesting how 'relatives' of the perp all have the same narrative. They all seem to think an armed robbery doesn't deserve an armed, potentially fatal response. It's as if they feel it's a 'right' in their mind to rob and plunder using any means necessary. Anyone countering this belief needs to use kid gloves.:confused:
     
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    But in order to get an Illinois concealed handgun license, one must prove they know how to use a gun.

    And if the perp was shot multiple times, as the stepson was quoted as saying, I'd say he was wounded first, killed next. So what's his problem with the outcome?

    When will someone just come out and say their kin was a dirtbag and it was only a matter of time before they were shot and killed?
     
  8. usmarine0352_2005

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    Rarely.



    Having a previous robbery conviction in his past doesn't help his case.




    I remember one where armed gunmen at a diner took people's belongns and were walking them to the backroom I believe when a CCW'r whipped out a gun and killed them both.


    Family of perps said, "Why'd he kill them? He didn't know why they were taking them to the backroom?? and "How do they get to be judge, jury, and executioner? It's up to the court to decide."


    ......Right. I don't want the court to convict them for my homocide that I could have prevented.
     
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    That in fact is it in my opinion.

    They think whoever they rob will have no trouble replacing what they stole from them, and anyone who resists is just to insensitive/stupid to live.

    They think they have a right to rob because they have'nt been treated fairly. (only the women and children can get welfare)

    Sometimes they get a little confused in the middle of all that tension, and just go ahead and shoot their victims no matter what. (easier to get by with crime when there are no witnesses)
     
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    This is the kind of stuff that happens when you start calling handouts, "welfare" then that becomes a bad word so you switch to "entitlements". This is the only way I can figure a criminal threatening others with a gun doesn't deserve a reaction in kind. After all one is entitled to money taken from someone else.

    The guy was just helping the .gov with "wealth redistribution" and not a convicted criminal (at least for the crime he was committing at the time of his death) the news would have reported him as "the alleged gunman".
     
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    "He was a good kid, he was starting to turn his life around".

    Standard answer from family members of a slain robber. Must be a book somewhere, they all seem to have the exact same response.
     
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    Ghetto lovers hate stories with happy endings like this one.
     
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    I prefer not to be shot, so I don't commit armed robberies or any other crimes. It's really not that complicated. Someone should explain this to this criminal's family.
     
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    LOL! Yes, this!

    Speaking of, the shooter should be in the clear on IL's justified use of force laws.

    Forcible felony is defined as:

     
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    Yes, here in IL we do have some decent self defense laws.
     
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    I recall Massad Ayoob's article about "The Marine" who was in a fast food restaurant when some robbers herded the employees and customers into a back room. That behavior indicates intent to "leave no witnesses", as that has happened too often. Once in the back room, the Marine felt he had no recourse other than to defend his and the other peoples' lives. He emptied his 1911 into the two robbers. Justified.

    I'm sure that kind of thing went through OP's customer's head. God bless him.
     
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    Good guy with a gun vs bad guy with a gun......hmm
     
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    Chicago PD announced no charges will be filed against the shooter, today!

    Glad my crystal ball is still working. :evil:

    That had to be a REAL tough pill for them to swallow on that news release.
     
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    Chicago. It's in Florida. Right?
     
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    In post #8 USMarine032_2005 mentioned a self defense shooting where 2 men robbed a restaurant. The Chicago CCW guy may have recalled 2 incidents in Chicago where people were taken to the "back room". The Brown's Chicken Restaurant Massacre in Palatine Illinois, a Chicago suburb, in 1993 when 7 employees were murdered. in 2008 in Tinley Park, a Chicago suburb, 5 women were killed in the Lane Bryant Massacre.

    Illinois has concealed carry now and we are getting some better endings to stories like that robbery and the event involving the Uber driver.

    A bank here in Southern Illinois has a picture of a gun with a green circle around it that says SECURITY NOTICE: Lawfully concealed weapons are allowed on this property. Its on the door of the First Bank and Trust in Murphysboro, Illinois and also its Carbondale, Illinois branch. We are a long way from Chicago, about 300 miles.
     
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    Don't forget that "he was an aspiring rapper".
     
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    So he shoulda just winged him?

    No wonder it's so hard to deal with so many ignorant people.
     
  25. Ignition Override

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    USAF Vet: You asked why people don't call their hardcore criminal relatives "dirtbags".

    Well, for the other viewers (lurkers) who have not figured it out, it's probably accurate to say that the entire family might consist of "dirtbags"-sometimes. They don't know the difference between right and wrong, or don't care.
     
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