Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Oneida eagle bows?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Oolong, Dec 16, 2016.

  1. Oolong

    Oolong Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    133
    I was looking up bows for about a week for whatever reason, and a friend shows me two bows, one is a shootech raptor and the other is a Oneida kestrel. Now I am not a bow person at all, I find the cams on compounds to be uglier than sin and it triggers something deep in my brain that whispers "if you can see the mechanism, the tool is clearly broken". But both bows have hidden cams. I've decided that if I wanted a bow I'd get the Oneida kestrel because it doesn't look like a toy, however it is $1400, which is the price of a really good ar, overpriced pump, half a desert tech, or a whole claymore. So I ask if the bow is $1400 why don't I ever see anything made by Oneida eagle bows in any lists or anything?
     
  2. LoonWulf

    LoonWulf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    3,005
    Location:
    Hawaii
    mostly because they are VERY expensive for the performance you get, youll get more velocity out of a 3-400 dollar bow than the kestrel. These bows are marketed to guys that really want the recurve look with an extra 50-75fps. Ive never seen one of the new ones in person, but i shot a few of the old one and they are.....different, i remeber them being pretty smooth, and having good let off. Didnt feel the same as the other compounds i shot at the time.

    Honestly If you do get into bow hunting, Id suggest a decent recurve, or a recurve for fun, and a standard compound for hunting. Not that the Oneida would be a bad choice persay, and if you wanted something truly unique that would be it.
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2016
  3. Stumper

    Stumper Member

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2008
    Messages:
    196
    I support everyone's right to shoot whatever they like and can afford.......but when it comes to archery, simple really appeals to me. I'm not anti compound but I gave them up decades ago. Recurves and longbows are elegant lightweight and lethal. The Oneidas are less ugly compounds and perform well but they are heavy, complicated and expensive. For some reason in our performance and gear driven culture we forget that bent sticks (and horns with sinew) have been working for millennia.
     
  4. Oolong

    Oolong Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    133
    Don't horn and sinew expand and degrade really quickly?
     
  5. LoonWulf

    LoonWulf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    3,005
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Properly treated not as fast as one would think, I still prefer "modern" components in my traditional bows. Performance and feel can be vastly improved over natural materials. This allows for a lighter draw weight launching the same arrow at the same speed or faster.

    Still a 500-700grain arrow at 150fps will punch clean thru a deer from almost any angle. Doing it with a all natural bow is a damn fine thing to do as well. Theres alot to be said for the joys of the true stick, or natural composit bows. Ive made a few stick bows, qnd injoyed the process, but never felt inclined to hunt with them, couple guys i gave them to have tho.
     
  6. Oolong

    Oolong Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    133
    What bow would you suggest for a beginner?
     
  7. LoonWulf

    LoonWulf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    3,005
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Recurve wise id highly recommend a Samick/Vista Sage. They cost about 120 bucks and perform quite well. The sight window has a plunger bushing so adding an elevated rest for shooting plastic vanes is easy. The riser is well constructed and has a nice grip, and the limbs are good quality. You get alot of bow for the money. I still have my Sage riser converted to ILF fittings.
    Another slightly more pricy (and metal) option would be the ILF based Martins, the leopard, and panther. The nice thing about these bows is you can add ilf limbs to them, so if the riser feals ok and you want to step up to say Dryad limbs, (loved the set i had) they would snap right on

    Moving up from there you have the low end Martins, Ragims, Samicks and others that offer some neat features, looks, and perhaps a little better performance or shootability but cost double or more. You also can get an ILF riser in this price range and buy limbs of what ever quality you want.

    Then there are the highend production bows like the Bears, High end Martins, Hoytes etc. I find a noticeable difference in draw curve and smoothness bot of draw and shot at this point. After this your looking at a custom bow.

    If longbows are more your style than the only ones ive shot are the Martin Savana and a custom Jeffreys Longhunter, both more than id invest till you decide if you like it.


    For compounds, Id look at any of the 3-400 dollar options from the Majors, or do some research on models from a year or two ago. Check ebay often good bows that are a generation or two older can be found bnib for half or less than new. I started back into wheel bows with a diamond infinite edge pro, but pretty quickly moved on not because it was a bad bow, but because so many "better" bows are out there. Theres also a 150 doller Taiwanese made bow called the cb-75 ive owned, its heavy, clunky, and need some work out of the box but it performs surprisingly well.

    Another option is used. right now im shooting a Martin Lithium LTD, that i got a steal on because the stock strings suck the previous owner just dumped it rather than figgurin out wrong. Deals like that come up especially on Craigslist, but they arnt usually a great option for someone just getting into thr game unless you have a friend or family member who can go thru and work the kinks out.
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2016
  8. T.R.

    T.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2006
    Messages:
    1,547
    Location:
    Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
    I've had good luck with bows by Martin and Bear. These companies offer great products for competitive pricing.

    TR
     
  9. markallen

    markallen Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    425
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    I still have and shoot my early 1980's Eagle. I always liked the recurve look, with the compound power and let off.
    They are smooth, but loud, definitely need string silencers. I tried a trigger release one season, but went back to three finger draw, it felt more natural with the Eagle.
    Right now it's set up with an older whisker bisquit, and cobra sight.
    Some of the downsides, you need to take off the string pressure when not shooting. And the adjustment, and tuning, when you put the pressure back on, although not hard to do, is time consuming. And you do have to be precise with your tuning measurements. If you are off just a little bit, you can tell when you shoot.
    I actually prefer a recurve, and shoot off the shelf. I hardly takes any time to string the bow and grab the arrows, and your ready to go.
     
  10. redneck

    redneck Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,147
    Location:
    Ohio
    For standard compound bows I think the Bear Cruzer is as good a deal as you'll find. I looked at all that cabelas and field and stream had in stock right before Christmas helping my brother in law pick out his first bow, there are a few other bows on the market for similar price with similar specs but the accessories on the Bear are a lot nicer.
    We shot some yesterday, and after a few pointers and some practice he shot a 4 inch 5 shot group at 40 yards. I shoot an older Bear TRX300 with a 31 inch draw, pulling about 70lbs, and his cruzer with 30 inch draw pulling 60lbs appeared to shoot about the same speed.

    It may not have the style or nostalgia of a recurve, but for 400 bucks plus some arrows and a release you get a hell of a lot of performance in a package that is very easy to shoot. If you want the oneida bow more power to you, but I don't see the slight difference in looks being worth an extra 1000 bucks, and the fact they don't list an IBO speed on their website tells me they'd rather you didn't compare them to their competitors.
     
  11. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    The Oneidas were the speed kings of their day (Screamer then Aeroforce).
    They have a lot of moving parts and the old timing system was prone to slip if bonked.
    If people didn't catch the oops, it'd really throw an arrow off the mark. All ya had to do was turn the star washer screw and it'd slide back on its own. Tighten and good to go.
    Most bowhunters don't maintain/understand their more simple bows, so an Oneida was often out of tune.............which made them louder..............and that didn't help with a "sell" to those watching others shoot them.
    They are IMHO not difficult. Those with smaller pylons (Aeroforce, Strikeagle, and the LFM and Black Eagles) are the better ones.
    The Black Eagles could be shot fingers..............the new stuff not really. The Kestrel is shorter, the Talon or whatever the new cast riser one is called, only goes to 50# (advertised). Old Black Eagles fetch a decent price on the used market.

    OK, so you want to shoot a new one with release......OK< ya buy a Kestrel. Cam/lever bows draw so smooth...........they feel great. Limb system has minimal shock. So you plunk down 1300 bucks for a bow that is more complex, more expensive and slower than other bows costing half as much. Plus they always have some odd sound to them, due to outboard limb/string contact.

    Big whoop. If you want the feel and look, you'll pay it.
     
  12. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    Speed speed speed.........all those parts and design.............I think the cam lever bow is about maxed out speed wise.
    They are fast enough. And they are smoooooooth.
    Plus not everybody has one.

    Good enough reasons to own one IMHO.

    If you are into 3D and speed is your main factor in picking a bow, so be it.
    Don't need the fastest thing out there to put a hole in and out of your deer.

    I blow through with recurve. But there I pay a bit more than some, because I like Blackwidows. They have a feel to them, and I like it.
    So I pay for it. No complaints either.

    The Kestrel is their release bow.
    The other model Oneida makes it geared toward bowfishing.
    Unfortunately it only goes to 50#. If they went to 60# I'd proly have one.

    Or if I score a Black Eagle 2 and can swap in 5150 skeltonized outboards I might go that route.

    Did see where RPM bowfishing is offering a cam lever bow, have yet to check it out.
     
  13. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    What hurts the cam lever bows...........IMHO is string overtravel. They like a heavier spine.
    That means heavier arrow, and that slows them more, quiets them a bit............and makes the arrow go deeper into the dirt after blowing through the deer ;)
    Higher # Oneidas with carbons, can be a bit of a hassle.
    My last Aero, at 65# was needing more than 340 spine....and I had the arrows short. Might have been able to cut them off more, if I found an old PSE short overdraw.

    Ever notice that a lot of old Oneidas had overdraws? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ;)
     
  14. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    FWIW I have 3 hunting bows. Not a one purchased for some IBO speed rating LOL.
    Have had the hot rods, shot for a shop, bought top end for yrs (couple bows a yr).
    Was fun.
    But all I do now is hunt.
    So I have two old clunkers...........a Blackwidow HF1225 ('72) that was like new when I got it. Not even Fastflite rated. Don't care. Had three new ones built that were, loved them..............but always thought the old skeleton recurve bow was cool. So I got one. Yup. It is cool.

    (and an Oneida Black Eagle would look cool with it ;)

    Other bow I just restored.........almost bought one new way back, just because. Only 2nd one I've handled.................1986 Golden Eagle "Falcon". Wood riser. Huge brace height, round wheels............if my back/shoulder start hurting, it's my backup fingers bow (to the recurve).

    I also just bought a 2017 PSE Infinity. Slap a K tech stabilizer, QAD rest and run it (Fletchunter release).

    Deer don't care how much I spend.
    Dead is dead.
     
  15. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    So I've owned 25 or so recurves, and over 30 compounds. Plus I've shot a lot of others that weren't mine.
    Never found the perfect bow. Some were way better than others. All were usable, most downright decent.
    But something either annoyed me or I liked another feature, or wanted to try something out.

    If I had an Oneida Black Eagle I'd not have bought the PSE. Nor would I have snagged the Golden Eagle.
    Could run the BE2 fingers, or release. Pimp it out to custom and just shoot it.

    They are FUN (Oneida). Shame so many archers today have never shot a compound fingers. Or barebow.
    Evidently they are well liked as LFM and BE command silly prices on the used market.

    I like a smooth bow. Really like how BW recurves feel, Oneidas draw.............and the old Hoyt Cam and a Half system on their older bows (2005 era). The name carried to others, after that, but they were different. Buddy had a few, nice, but I like the older feel (was 65% letoff for P&Y legal- old rules). Did not like Spiral cam and a half.

    Older, beat up from a ton of high # shooting...........smooth is here it's at.
     
  16. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    If somebody shoots a bow faster than mine, good for them.
    If a bow has to hit a certain speed for them to be happy, so be it.
    IBO ratings don't mean much to me, since I don't run a light arrow in hunting, and I don't draw 30".
    My old Hoyt (proly best compound shooting wise I've ever had).............was IBO rated 305 FPS.
    Hunting arrows clocked 272 FPS.
    It was a rocket launcher compared to my Blackwidow SA2.
    They both blew through deer. One was just quicker ;)
     
  17. LoonWulf

    LoonWulf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    3,005
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Lemme just say WOW, im actually very glad that was multi post. Hell of a lot of info there!

    Smooth has its perks, fast has its perks, Im willing to compromise to a degree. I still shoot a pretty fast bow but its heavy and its firing cycle is very smooth, the draw curve is pretty steep tho.

    The finest shooting recurves ive used were mostly ilf bassed bows with nearly 1k dollar limbs, im not willing to spend that much. The dryads i bought used were the finest limbs ive shot. Ive shot a few BWs, both old and new, and they have all been a joy. I would own one but i dont like the riser shapes.

    Truly its hard to say this bow is best, or that one is, one archer may have an opinion totally different than the guy standing right next to him lol.
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2017
    Hookeye likes this.
  18. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    Yup............have yet to find the "grail recurve".
    But have gotten wiser and decided "good enough" was where it's at ;)

    Must say my Hoyt Dorado with cheapy Blackmax was pretty decent for the money. Too bad they didn't make a higher wrist grip, go 17" on the riser and ILF..............you know, "make it tolerable" LOL.

    Thing is...........we are adaptable. And even if we found the best thing ever............a few bumps and bruises or aging(on our end) and the item might fall from favor through no fault of its own.
     
  19. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    Oneidas are heavy. Deck one out and it makes a Hoyt look like a helium balloon.
    Aeroforce w quiver, shot barebow.........migth be a fun rig.

    Again, if the new Osprey was up to 60# I'd have one for fingers, barebow...........a handicap man's recurve LOL.
     
  20. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    Two things soured me on Oneida back in the day.
    I had a Strike Eagle at 84#, running 2317's.
    Stepdaughter knocked it over at home and didn't tell me.
    So of course the next morning I'm hunting, buck is wide open at 20 yards, broadside and I shot under.
    He ambles off and I am livid. WTH? So i pick out a leaf on the ground and shoot another arrow............way low.
    I go back to my truck and literally get my owner's manual out and start reading. Never had a problem til then.
    Yes, I carried tools too, so did the star washer bolt and watched it go back to being where it was supposed to.
    Shot my two dirty arrows at paced distance............dead on.

    I stumbled in the dark going back to a diff stand later that season. Pasture.........pretty open, along fence.............wouldn't ya know a root is sticking up. Neato too. It was up and then went back into the ground, forming a loop, well anchored. Perfect size to put a boot's toe under and slam me on my head.

    Popped out my flashlight, and allen wrench, and right then and there, let my timing wheel go back to where it was before the bonk.Was prepared for an oops, but not really the cartwheel into the turf that root caused.

    The "slip fit" is a bit of a safety deal, in case somebody had limb contact with a branch at the shot.

    IMHO if was a bit too slippy. IIRC Aeroforces had same system initially but changed to a better one within model run.

    Late bow season..............rained for a week straight. fields had standing water. Windy and cold. Brother in law and I drenched and frozen, did a walk. Saw deer in one field, moved to ravine to intercept. Sleet was blowing sideways. The ravine was more like a river. I was kneeling in it, scraping ice off my aluminum arrow, blowing out my peep..........when the deer showed up.

    I drew and waited for a bit............big lead doe finally was in opening (trees on either side of ravine) and I let it go.
    Brother i law said arrow went wide right...........I sure as heck couldn't tell.

    So much ice blew off the limbs, cables and string I was blinded.

    Too much moving stuff for bad weather hunting on an Oneida IMHO.

    Still would like to have one..........since I gave up hunting in weather extremes a long time ago (finally got some sense). Love the Under Armor and TC ads of macho beard guys toughing it out in horrible weather, lugging big racks back to camp.

    Usually the only things I killed in such environments were my wallet (dr bills, burned gas, didn't work OT).
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2017
  21. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    Kinda hard to justify a new Oneida Opsrey at 799 when you can get a Mathews Mission that's probably faster for 399.
    Some shops don't like Oneidas. Lots of attitude in archers/archery shops.

    They (Oneida) are just different. Why they even dare you to buy one and be "different" LOL.

    For the guy that takes his bow to the shop for all adjustment/maintenance..........proly not the bow for them.
    There's nothing wrong with wanting to just shoot a bow, let somebody else be your mechanic and only need them once a yr or so.

    Not saying an Oneida is a PITA.......but it may require the owner to monitor things a bit more in usage.

    In that, I'd call it an archery geek's fun bow.

    Just up to the geek to determine how much fun he's willing to pay for.

    FWIW here's a boutique build cam lever somebody posted on the web

    http://images.imagelinky.com/1316906843.jpg
     
  22. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    15590662_1203912703034920_1289932125591016871_n.jpg
    Couldn't find anything on the new RPM cam lever bow............on the web.
    ATA show is in a couple weeks.
    They did have a teaser on their FB page.
    $550 MSRP for the Nitro Mag.

    Dunno what all bowfishing dictates tolerance wise.....if the Oneidas are more for target and hunting than bowfishing (warranting the price difference).

    Hope to get to ATA show and shoot one this month!

    Wish the riser had no scallops on front or riser, above grip........smoother front end would have looked better IMHO.

    Dug some more, the RPM is made in China. Maybe if they dent the market hard enough Oneida will do a 60# model and drop the price $100. I won't buy a Chinese one. Will buy a new one that has what I want, or an old original Oneida and customize it. But some folks are cool with Chinese 870 clones...........so if they want an Oneida clone from across the pond............
     
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2017
  23. Oolong

    Oolong Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    133
    Ooh Chinese is a deal breaker.
     
  24. Hookeye

    Hookeye Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2015
    Messages:
    1,051
    Yup. Buddy sent me a pic on phone, new Oneida teaser (in BP catalog?).
    Oneida with string stop.

    Dunno if they are just upgrading Osprey and or Kestrel or will have a fingers hunter bow or not.

    Eh, I just PM'd a guy about an old Blackwidow recurve. See if he sells it or not. If so I'm out of a new Oneida this yr.
    Just bought a PSE Infinity for when my back goes out (recurve hunt, but need a backup rig- no pun intended).

    2 recurves and a compound..........plus that Golden Eagle I refinished (might be going bye bye).

    Deer numbers low last season. I really want that 10 pt with my recurve. One P&Y and I'd be happy.
     
  25. LoonWulf

    LoonWulf Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2010
    Messages:
    3,005
    Location:
    Hawaii
    Ive seen some BWs at good prices on ebay lately, im looking at getting another recurve also lol.
     

Share This Page