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Online petition supports Marine accused of shooting wounded Iraqi

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Ironbarr, Nov 19, 2004.

  1. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam

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    Wow. Think that the Marine Corps Times reporter has an opinion on the shooting?

    :rolleyes:
     
  3. joeoim

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    Thank-You for the link Ironbarr.

    I signed.

    77,333 signatures when I last looked.

    Joe
     
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    77,791 signatures as of now.
     
  6. Fred Thompson

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    I signed...79,718 signatures.

    He did the right thing.
     
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    83769 here[​IMG]
     
  9. sigmaman

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    heres another one
    http://www.petitiononline.com/55ds49qt/petition.html
    great article
    like this part too

    The petition was created by Alan Swinney, 34, a former soldier and veteran of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, who posted it on a free Web-based service.

    “I know a lot of people who [are] really upset about it and I’m just trying to find a voice,†the drug screening collector from Midland, Texas, said in a Nov. 19 interview.
     
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  11. R.H. Lee

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    I signed. He absolutely did the right thing.
     
  12. JDThorns

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    I Just Signed

    It is now at 107493
     
  13. stevelyn

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    113,524. I suggest sending the REMF(s) making an issue of it to the Marine's platoon for a fact finding mission...............walking point. :fire:
     
  14. Ironbarr

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    Good article...

    As published in TownHall.com

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dianawest/dw20041122.shtml
     
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    Signed 172096
     
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    That's a very interesting article.

    Bound to spark some debate.
     
  18. Derek Zeanah

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    What issue do you have with the cameraman's account?

    Is it that an explanation of the event from the guy who shot the footage is bound to cloud the issue further? Or is it that he's an obstacle to those who would prefer to see violations of the rules we're trying to wage war by go unpunished?

    Read the article by the cameraman.
     
  19. Sleeping Dog

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    Send Marine infantry into battle and the ask them to restrain the agression? BS. That's a good way to get the wrong folks hurt.

    Regards.
     
  20. DavyR

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    One problem is with the fact that I don't see pictures spread all around, nor do I read nearly as many accounts accounts of, the torture houses; didn't he see any of those?
    Another problem is dealing with some of the tactics used by the insurgents, including shooting from the mosque, waving white flags and ambushing Marines, and laying as though dead and then shooting Marines.
    If you are going to report fairly as the camraman says is correct, and I agree, then report it all equally.
    I was an officer in the Marine Corps and I agree that the rules should be followed but sitting in an arm chair next to the server with only one side of the story is not where a judge should be.
    Each of us here in the US can and should speak freely, but we should also be balanced.
     
  21. Derek Zeanah

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    We walked into this knowing that those we were up against were doing some evil things -- that's why we call them the enemy. From the cameraman's blog:
    Sounds like something a marine officer should agree with -- I wouldn't know, as I served in the Army.
    I don't know that I've "judged" anything, and believe I've clearly stated here that this should be handled by a courts martial -- UCMJ exists for these purposes.

    However, this thread is about judgment. The petition itself states
    This thread is full of "judgmental" quotes as well -- take "He absolutely did the right thing" as one example.

    The problem I see here is a willful blindness to anything that might make our warriors look bad. Take steveln's comment as an example -- "I suggest sending the REMF(s) making an issue of it to the Marine's platoon for a fact finding mission...............walking point." Somehow it's a bad thing to expect our troops to abide by the frigging rules passed down their chain of command. Somehow, it's a bad thing to look into alleged abuses.

    I don't get it. We're the good guys -- we should act like it. That means playing by the rules we've said we'd play by, and pruning those who refuse to do so from service.

    As for those "REMFs" investigating this:
     
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    I signed, he did the right thing, as far as i'am concerned the insurgents in that building are no better than the insurgents beheading people.
     

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