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Oops, wrong school (in Israel)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by esq_stu, Jan 25, 2008.

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  1. esq_stu

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    In Israel, a school, including a religious seminary, is just not a TFZ (terrorist friendly zone). Especially the teachers' lounge. In this case, two staff members were armed and shot the intruders.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1201070788290&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull


    I hope some of our state legislators in the U.S. read this.
     
  2. sixgunner455

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    Perfect response to the threat.
     
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    230RN Marines raising the left-leaning Pisa tower.

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    I will never understand how a member of a group of people (and this is not limited to the Jews) which has been persecuted for ages can possibly think anything like that.

    Mind boggling.

    Utterly mind boggling.
     
  5. El Tejon

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    230, come now, it's the power of self-deception. Remember there were Jews telling other Jews to go along to get along during the Holocaust. Don't upset the Nazis, they may hurt us.

    Heck, you've seen the SS photos from WWII of the round ups of the Jews. The Germans rounded them up with unloaded weapons.

    It's a mental self-defense mechanism. Some cannot accept that others want them dead and so they create alternate realities in which to live. Problem is that they want you to live there as well.:uhoh:

    BTW, can someone please post the article? I hate it when you guys tease me with only part of the article. I cannot access it without being kicked off.
     
  6. Bazooka Joe71

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    Here you go El T,

     
  7. jaholder1971

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    Pity play for free land, perhaps?

    Let's not forget the Zionist terror groups in Palestine who were secretly corroborating with the Nazis in order to obtain a Jewish state in that area.
     
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    The counselors should not have taken the law into their own hands. They should have called the police, and complied with the terrorists' desire for them to be stabbed to death, waiting for the proper authorities to come and handle the situation appropriately. Why were they armed in the first place? Were they planning on committing some mass murder at the school? They should be fired for bringing weapons onto a campus. Won't someone think of the children for once??
     
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    I spent a year in Jerusalem when I was in High School. In addition to frequently seeing armed soldiers around the city, I also remember seeing civilians (or in any case, people dressed like civilians) carrying pistols in their waistbands. I even remember seeing a teacher with an M16 slung on her shoulder as she led the school children around a site, apparently on a field trip. It may as well have been invisible considering the way they were acting, just going about their business having a fun time, and really paying no attention to it. But it was there and surely wasn't invisible to anybody who may have intended any harm.

    The Israeli's have dealt with the "war on terrorism" much longer and much more intensely than we have and I'm surprised that people and politicians aren't more open to following their example when it comes to making schools more safe.
     
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    That just warms my heart. Mama duck and the ducklings. Except mama has teeth.
     
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    230RN lamented,


    El Tejon responded,

    But.... that's not "thinking."

    (Emphasis added in both quotes.)
     
  12. El Tejon

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    230, it's very zen, the thinking of not thinking.:p
     
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    Could you please provide some documentation or source for this claim. I consider myself to be a well read individual but I have never heard of such before.
     
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    I beg of you guys, take it elsewhere, puleeese!!!
     
  16. ieszu

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    Agreed!

    The relative merits of Israeli gun laws are one thing, questioning mentalities is another, but but leading people down the prim-rose path of possible discrimination (and quoting wikipedia, which is a unverifiable source to begin with) is just plane wrong and not THR way.

    Who is or is not a terrorist or had those things in their past is not what we are here for... please don't be stupid and cause what could have been a good thread (and on topic) to be locked by the moderators.
     
  17. 230RN
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    230RN Marines raising the left-leaning Pisa tower.

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    Aummmmmmmmm.... Aummmmmmmm. Aummmmmmm....

    Oh, now I see the error of my ways, El Tejon!

    Aummmmm... Aummmmm... Aummmmm...

    Gee, not thinking is sooo comfortable and rewarding....
     
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    Israel officially stopped screwing around with animalstinians right after the 1972 Olympics.
    They need to reelect Bebe Netanyahu.
     
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    "Originally Posted by jaholder1971
    Let's not forget the Zionist terror groups in Palestine who were secretly corroborating with the Nazis in order to obtain a Jewish state in that area. "


    Oh god... here we go again... thinly veiled anti semitism. Pathetic.
     
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    I accept that most people want me dead. Sometimes they tell me! :D
     
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    My post was intended to challenge and NOT legitimize the assertion. If the wording of my post made that unclear, I offer my sincere apologies to those who were offended.
     
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    I've seen pictures of Isreali students just going about their business fully armed with M-16s slung over thier shoulders.

    397px-Israel_8_Young_israelic_settler_with_rifle.jpg

    IsraeliGirls.jpg

    They don't screw around.


    -T.
     
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    Actually, there is an ultra orthodox Israeli Rabbi called Amnon Yitzchak that has said the same thing, it is well documented in Israeli archives that the early zionists or revisionists did collaborate to a certain degree with the nazi's. Facts are not to be confused with politics but I hate when certain type throw the anti semetic card everytime they hear something they don't like. PM me if you want my sources but don't be so quick to use the old antisemite card just because the facts may be hard for you to swallow.


    Thernlund. The top photo is of a Hesder Yeshiva student, photo taken in either Jerusalem or Hebron, probably Hebron because the law states that in Israel proper (inside the green line) weapons must be cleared of magazines and in any case even with an iserted magazine, the weapon is still kept in condition three. The bottom photo is not students but female soldiers off duty probably attending a seminar or training course. Students in Israel who are after their conscript years are not issued military weapons on a personal basis.

    I love all the well intentioned misconceptions of those that believe that Israel has all the answers to our security needs. Israel has no constitution, does not even follow the Torah, is a socialist country vigorously controlled by an inept (see the Winograd report that came out today) corrupt government. The only ones they have fooled are the Zionist Christians and their Jewish Cheerleaders. There is a reason the very ultra orthodox very Jewish Neturei Karta are not on speaking terms with the State of Israel.
     
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    George29 -

    I agree with you on what R. Amnon Yitzchak has said, and you depiction of the the Israeli government is highly accurate.

    However, Neturei Karta are not "Ultra-Orthodox Jews"... there is documented evidence of them violating the Sabbath (when they were in Iran meeting with Mahmoud Ahmedinejad). They are a small sect and disliked by all Ultra-Orthodox Jews for claiming the Holocaust did not happen, that Jews who live in Israel should be killed and for giving aid and comfort to terrorists.

    There is a difference between not supporting a country because you disagree with its fundamental underpinnings and calling for the citizens death and destruction. Their view point is no different than Islamo-fascists terrorists everywhere.
     
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    Thats why I dislike these kind of threads, too much dissention and far too much history and the subject always veers. The only thing we need to learn from and about Israel is how a good idea can easily go wrong and how the Unites States is doomed to repeat Israels mistakes if we do not safeguard the Constitution. Even so, it has been so eroded that we in the U.S no longer remember that we were born as a republic, not the quasi-socialistic nation we have become. Israelis are not true citizens, they are subjects to whomever is currently in power and how they determine to follow the law.
     
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