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Op Ed in the New York Times

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by BENBRU, Mar 10, 2011.

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  1. BENBRU

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    I'm not really sure where people like the writer of this tripe comes up with things like the security of the public goes up as gun ownership goes down. She and her equally dimwitted friends likely feel that way, but the majority of the public who keeps buying more and more guns, and wanting less and less gun control legislation apparently disagree with her and her friends. But hey those hicks and hayseeds live in flyover country and are too stupid to even be considered.

    These people all talk about how they believe in "democracy", and they might as long as everyone agrees with them. However, when the rest of us disagree with them it doesn't mean we're correct or that they're wrong. It's just that we ain't bright enough. HA!!!
     
  3. Zoogster

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    It is New York, where guns and especially handgun ownership, never mind carrying are extremely restricted and have been longer than anywhere else in the nation.



    She is open about her position, less guns make her feel safer.
    The fact that almost any healthy male could certainly overpower her or beat her to death with the nearest object, and that a gun actually makes her lethally equal to such people, makes little difference.
    She admits to her perception: guns are weapons and weapons are for doing harm, so fewer weapons makes her feel safer because less of those dangerous weapons are around.


    Then she tries to tie it to some political spectrum to appeal to her intended audience.
     
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    "What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things i have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."​

    Bad when she deserves a rebuke that was meant for Billy Madison!

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  5. ATBackPackin

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    This is so frustrating. I don't blame the people like the one who left this comment. I blame the media who has ingrained this idea into their head over and over and over. They are basing their arguments on fallacies and emotion.

    We as a community have to try to educate these people without belittling them or coming off as elitist ourselves. I honestly believe that a lot ( not all ) of these people feel this way only because that is what they were taught to believe. I dunno..........it's just frustrating. End of rambling.

    Shawn
     
  6. Whiskey11

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    I think the irony of this article is that she states the quote from Bill Clinton about Police shots fired/hit percentage being so low, somehow equating Police to the end all be all of shooters. No offense to our boys in blue (I'll be joining you some day hopefully soon!) but I've seen some pretty piss poor shots amongst them, and the annual, or even bi-annual qualifications DON'T HELP. The assumption that all Police are "Professionally trained shooters" is about as legit as saying the converse, that is, that the average, armed citizen is a poorly trained shooter.
     
  7. Ole Coot

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    Typical ignorance of people who need something or someone to bash. She doesn't know a clip from a magazine and took details from the police report. Utopia must be nice and ignorance is bliss so she is very happy and will remain so until something enters her life that could have been prevented with a firearm. I either read, skip or consider the source on any anti gun source. You just can't fix stupid is really true.
     
  8. Hurricane

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    Actually what I find most interesting is that these highly vocal "anti's" are slowly realizing that they are not the majority opinion.

    People have had enough. Mess with a dog long enough and it will bite.

    Edit: BTW I like how it is acceptable in their eyes for the trained policeman to have 10% accuracy, but someone fending off a rapist is damn near guaranteed to hit the victim and not the assailant.

    Sometimes they don't realize that just being willing can be enough to stop a situation. Like when a kid stands up to a bully.
     
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    It's the New York Times, better known as Pravda East.

    Another typical left wing bliss ninny with a typical left wing nonsensical bias.

    L.W.
     
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    I read the comments, or rather I tried to read the comments. Many of the comments are missing, look at the comment number at the upper right of the comment box. At one point it jumps from 244 to 291.

    ATBackPackin's post contained a quote from a guy in Switzerland! Aren't the Swiss armed by their government? Guess he wasn't a Swiss citizen.

    And as to those college professors, they're not already afraid after the Virginia Tech shooting?

    Virginia Tech, where the great safety plan in the event of a shooting was to stay in your classroom and hide under your desk.

    These people have been told all their lives that the world is a safe place and the police will protect them from the bad people. I really feel sorry for them.
     
  11. Shadow 7D

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    Poor online hack,
    they must be really busy whacking those pro rights posts
    I didn't see a single comment that disagreed with the author, Got to love how then fail to practice the first (or protect our right to disagree) as they attack the second...

    Yeah makes your really happy,
    I'm sure if you pointed it out they would just scream profanities in your face.
     
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    The comments were worse than the article. It completely baffles me that thinking that a simple law banning things like large cap. magazines will really stop this sort of nightmare from happening. Last I checked killing people was illegal yet it still happens every day so why would a new law suddenly stop all the violence? If bad people want to do bad things they are going to do it despite what ever laws there are.

    I love the comment one father posted about his daughter looking at colleges and if they allowed CCW he wouldn't let her go there. If only this guy realized it's not the law abiding carriers you have to worry about. :barf:
     
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    I thought the comment about the professor worried about getting shot for handing out a bad grade takes the cake, the icing, and the candles on top. People will say anything to try to win an argument.

    Shawn
     
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    How many people know that in the last Arizona shooting that a armed civilian was on the spot while the shooter was being wrestled to the ground? Given our media NOBODY DOES. Just some guy that came out of the drugstore not related to the rally at all. If they hadn't subdued the shooter the shooter would of been dead two seconds later.

    The guy did a great interview with your typical MSM ninny who expressed dismay he would defend himself and the people there and cut his interview short when he started defending his second amendment rights with zero apology.
     
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    Last time I qualified, hitting only 10% would've gotten you laughed off the range, not to mention losing your credentials if you failed twice.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tablet using Tapatalk Pro.
     
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    ...I'm sure Gail Collins went to Harvard or Yale or some other ivy league schools so she feels it is her duty to tell the unwashed masses what ignorant, gun-toting, barbarians we are. ... and that 'enlightened' liberals like her should be able to control every aspect of our lives in the guise of 'public safety'

    oh wait, this the United States of America ... Not Soviet Russia.... Good thing we have a Constitution.

    What gets me about these supposedly 'educated' liberal elites is that they seem to have no sense of history. Haven't they heard about Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia or the Fench Reign of Terror where extreme statism by elites caused massmurder commited by governments on thier own citizens on ascale that only governments could execute?...whats to prevent that except an armed citizenry?

    Our founders knew this intuitively having just waged a war against a tyrant ... they knew that the greatest danger to our republic was from such well-intentioned "do-gooders" like Gail Collins who would flush our liberty in the interest of "public safety." Fear is not a plan for liberty.
     
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    Here's what I love;

    <rant on>
    I really appreciate how these people are perfectly free to paint all gun owners with a broad brush, ie "they're all a bunch of angry people and I'm scared of them." even our local paper had a letter to the editor, and the writer, talking about his fears of the right wing followers-his words- and how "We wouldn't want another Tuscon incident would we?" :barf: These people can say whatever they want, and it's ok, because they're so brave for standing up to all those mean gun owners. They can label all of us as uber-macho, hormone driven engines of destruction who just can't WAIT to clear leather, and everything's hunky-dory.

    Meanwhile, If I were to say something along the lines of "All antis are a bunch of communists who want to trade away my freedoms so that they can feel "safer", whatever the heck that is." I'd get called on the carpet, and rightly so. Forget about their position, how come nobody calls these people on their double standard? :cuss: :banghead:
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    Police well trained shots lol, with the exception of the ones that actually are interested in our hobbies of the like, (speaking from knowledge of locals, ymmv) the only time a Leo's weapon is discharged is when they're qualifying for the year, an the standards are relatively low to pass, I'm pretty sure it's agreed by all on here that she's very uneducated on how often the responsible citizen actually practices and takes pride in his accuracy, simply for the fact of known he MAY hafta be that accurate one day
     
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    I didn't really get the point of her article. I thought it was about guns, then it complained about health-care and Republicans.
     
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    Ya gotta remember, this is the newspaper whose editor said keeping this newspaper afloat with our tax dollars was morally equivallent to feeding starving people in Africa.
     
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    Well, the so-called conservative state legislature in TX is taking their own sweet time with our campus carry and parking lot bills. Some suspicion that they are going for a stalling kill like last time to appease business interests. The TSRA made it clear that they asked Coyote Man Perry to put the bills on the emergency docket to force quick action but somehow that pretty boy didn't. Hmmm!

    Hope they pass. Coyote Man did make it a point to get other stuff on the docket (that didn't affect business liability shysters) that would make conservatives happy.

    Balancing the bucks vs. the ideological purity. Cynical me.

    As far as the Times - what do you expect? They are incapable of conceiving a need for self-defense. They don't have it in them. Blah.
     
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    You can tell the tail they deleted, of those who called them on their article

    Like someone wrote earlier, you can't see the post, but you can see the holes left in the post counts (1,2,3, 45,46, 57 etc.)
     
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    Which of course if they are made aware of they will just fix so that it numbers the posts that are left in order instead of making it obvious they deleted a large number.
     
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    I took a Vickers class with a guy from New York who stated that he was in a situation once where he was carrying (without permit) and was mugged at gun point. He said he was reasonably sure the mugger was tweaky or high enough that he could have gotten his pistol out and into the fight before the guy could have gotten a shot off. What stopped him wasn't fear of getting shot by the bad guy, it was fear of the legal abyss he'd have been jumping into if he'd drawn his gun and defended himself and his property. In the second or two he had to make a decision, it was ultimately preferable to get robbed at gun point than to face gun charges in NYC in his mind (and, I suspect, reality -- getting mugged cost him his wallet and briefcase, getting indicted for whatever charges would have been forthcoming had he shot would have probably cost him his home, job and who knows what else by the time the legal fees had settled, even if acquitted).
     
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    I thought it was funny that she suggested (trying for hyperbole) that it's only a matter of time before someone figures out Obama-care is a threat to the US military -- since when they start figuring out what that mess is going to really cost it likely well end up meaning the .mil budget gets cut (or they'll just print more money . . .).
     
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