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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by W.E.G., Apr 6, 2008.

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  1. W.E.G.

    W.E.G. Member

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    hold on.. so you can open carry a handgun around anywhere in public w/o a permit or anything and no one can say a thing about it?
     
  3. W.E.G.

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    Not anywhere.

    No schools, courthouses and several other special places listed in 18.2-308, and certain federal properties.

    Wal-Mart, Joe's BBQ shack, adult entertainment establishments, etc. are cool.
     
  4. Northalius

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    Yeah, but I heard we can't have more than one gun on us at a time in VA? LOL! That's moronic! I'm new to VA (moved here about 6 months ago from NYC), so was wondering if this is actually true? Could there be such a stupid law in VA? I mean... SERIOUSLY?!
     
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    Not true. The permit states "concealed weapon". This is a change from "handgun" on my last VA permit.
    You can carry more than one, and many of us do.
    Steve
     
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    They're calling it a CWP now? Wonder if they allow other non-firearm weapons.

    Not true. I know you can have at least two on you, if not more.
     
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    Nice. I love how the station added to the hysteria by interviewing an eighteen-year-old who can't legally drink at a bar regarding concealed carry in bars. :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks for the responses. Well, that's nice, but I was going to carry 2-3 on me anyway (3rd will eventually be a NAA Mini .22 Magnum revolver, as my last resort). ;)

    I know they made it law for those with guns to open carry where they serve alcoholic beverages, but I don't see open carry as very effective against criminals, since you'll simply be the criminals' first and/or main target, if/when they hold up the place!

    However, if EVERYONE in the place is open-carrying, then I'd see that as safe to suggest no criminal will dare bother trying to rob the place outright.

    But, until then... if you know you're not drinking AT ALL, then I'd keep 'em concealed at all times.
     
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    Anyone know if its true that they changed it to a Concealed Weapons Permit?

    All I can find still is Concealed Handgun Permit on the VSP site.
     
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    I told you it does. I have mine right in front of me. Need me to post a pic?
     
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    Notice the news caster couldn't just say "openly carrying" he had to say "flaunting" like the gun owners were waving them around saying "look at what I've got". They always have to spin it negatively.
     
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    The Va. application still says handgun. The actual permits are issued by the individual County of residence and perhaps they are worded somewhat differently. Mine says "Permit to carry a concealed handgun" I've also been told the "a" above means one, but I've never seen a one gun limit spelled out in Virginia code and the State police couldn't (or wouldn't), answer the question.
     
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    My permit, issued less than 2 weeks ago, says "Permit to carry a concealed handgun". This is Spotsylvania county, btw.
     
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    Important information/clarification on the topic of “guns and bars” in Virginia.

    1) Virginia does not have "Bars". That is to say that Virginia does not allow a business that just serves alcohol. Any such business must also earn a certain percentage from food sales (used to be 51%, don't know if that is still accurate).

    2) Virginia law prohibits average citizens from carrying concealed in any establishment that serves alcohol (the anti's and the managed media spend a lot of effort to make political hay by only talking about "bars" because of the slightly seedy and disreputable connotation that implies, but in Virginia we're not talking "bars", we're talking restaurants, and generally upscale ones at that).

    3) In Virginia it is legal for any citizen to open carry. Yes, if you can pass all of the background checks and are cleared to purchase a firearm, then you are allowed to carry it openly. Additionally there is no provision to restrict -open- carry in restaurants, the restriction only applies to -concealed- carry.

    Interestingly enough there has been a growing movement to change these laws and allow citizens who have a carry concealed permit to CONTINUE to carry concealed and not be forced to publicly switch to open carry (as currently required by law) if they choose to have dinner at a nice restaurant (that serves alcohol) with friends, provided no alcohol was consumed while carrying.

    In a political “masterstroke” (that’s sarcasm by the way) our Governor Tim Kaine vetoed that bill (SB#476) stating that "alcohol and guns don't mix" and then turned around less than two weeks later and APPROVED another bill (SB776) that allows OFF DUTY Commonwealth attorneys and their deputies to carry concealed and makes no restrictions on alcohol consumption. Okay Governor Kaine, so “guns and alcohol don’t mix” unless you are an official of the state?

    As you may imagine, we've been trying to hold his feet to the fire about this blatant favoritism since and for some reason he keeps dodging us about it.
     
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    Here.

    You guys won't believe anything, sheesh.
     

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    The law says you can apply for a permit to carry a concealed handgun.

    "D. Any person 21 years of age or older may apply in writing to the clerk of the circuit court of the county or city in which he resides, or if he is a member of the United States Armed Forces, the county or city in which he is domiciled, for a five-year permit to carry a concealed handgun."

    The permit is NOT valid for anything else.
     
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    I go by the 2nd Amendment and my logic for REASONING, not by criminal laws passed by government, who're supposed to be our SERVANTS, not MASTERS! We The People are the Masters of our own liberty, and that which protects our liberty: firearms

    Therefore, I'll carry as many guns on me as I deem necessary to help ensure my life, and those lives around me, are well-protected in case a bad situation arises.

    Too many people are bending over for criminal governments' local laws, when they don't even know that the 2nd Amendment trumps all these other garbage laws they're attempting to pass on us.

    If the law says one cannot speak or protest in public without some pathetic "permit", will everyone bend over and listen? Or will they finally get a backbone and say "Screw you, criminal government! We have rights to protest, not simply a privilege, supposedly given permission by 'daddy government' to do so?! Ha! I don't think so!"

    Privileges are what permits are for.

    Rights are what government has NO say in restricting. It's that plain, and that simple.

    Once government gets the sheep to believe the government [supposedly] has a right to restrict our RIGHTS, then tyranny will only follow, eventually.`
     
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    I wonder how she feels when she sees the local Peace Officer arrive? After all, its a man or a woman with a gun . . . and something might break out . . . and shots could be fired.


    This is the attitude we have to change, and the only way we can do it is by persuasion. I'm sure she's not in fear for her safety standing next to the armed local Policeman or woman. This is an irrational fear. Irrational fears are not resolved with arguments, they are resolved by the victim of the irrational fear coming to grips with it, realizing its not rational, and changing their minds.
     
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    Not true! While you can't normally open-carry a rifle in cities and Fairfax County, you can if you've got a CHP. It hurts my head to try and figure out their logic, but whatever.
     
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    Neither here nor there.
    Here in MN our permits say "permit to carry a pistol", but there is an exception to the law prohibiting people from carrying long arms for people who have a valid permit. There may be a similar exception to the law in VA.
     
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    My permit from York County, VA says to carry a concealed handgun. By the way, they are of the flimsiest card stock and also require a picture ID to be carried with them. FL's permit, on the other hand, looks like a driver's license.
     
  22. W.E.G.

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    The Clerk of the Court uses WordPerfect or MS-Word to print the Virginia permit on whatever printer they happen to have in their office. The fact that the permit says "Concealed Weapons Permit" appears to be a function of the fact that some Clerks still don't understand the law. Sad, but true.
     
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    They also allow you to purchase as many handguns as you can afford in a month, but we are talking about if a permit allows you to carry any OTHER weapons concealed.

    There is a picture above of a "Permit to Carry a Concealed Weapon".
    No matter what the permit says it is only valid for concealed handguns.
     
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    OK. How about,
    Went to a gun shop where I found the Ruger 22-45 and Red Dot mount I had been looking for. (Happy! Happy!)
    He handed me the paper work and I was handing over my drivers and concealed permit.
    Out of the blue he says:
    When was the last time you bought a handgun?
    I say:
    One day last week, 5 or 6 days ago.
    He says:
    Sorry I can’t sell to you, it’s been less than a week.:scrutiny:
    I reckon I had my mean face on that day.

    Times are a changing in VA.
     
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    Issued Jan 2005.

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    What? I wasn't aware you had to wait a week.
     
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