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Open Carry of Swords and Sword-Like-Objects

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Cosmoline, Jul 23, 2013.

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  1. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

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    I've been doing longsword practice this summer, and as part of the fat-old-man exercise regime, I bike the miles to and from the class every Wednesday. As it happens the Maxpedition backpack has an almost perfect carrying location for my plastic waster, which looks vaguely sword-like but is white polymer with a steel pommel and crossguard. But you can see it pretty clearly, and I've been getting way more looks than I do carrying the trail guns around en route to hikes.

    Last week a fellow asked me if I had it for personal protection! I pointed out to him that it was obviously made of PLASTIC and for fencing. He seemed unconvinced. I'm worried enough about police being called that I've taken to not packing my usual CCW for fear of a tragic mixup with APD.

    But having reviewed the laws local and state I see nothing against carrying fencing devices or even sharp swords. I'm torn on the issue. On the one hand I don't want to cause troubles but on the other, it is perfectly legal. Matters will come to a head in a month or so when Albion finishes my steel waster and I graduate to using it for at least part of my training. That really does look like a sword, and is shiny steel.

    So what to do. I suppose I could wrap it all up, but it won't transport as well. And at that point it becomes concealed and may present a legal problem.
     
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    I suspect you could rig up some sort of frame-mounted carrier that would position the sword parallel to one of the frame tubes. Once there, it would blend into the frame and just about disappear to all but close inspection.
     
  3. two gun charlie

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    Ok I am going to let you in on a little secret , take your "sword" and spray it so that it looks like a candy cane , or use any other silly colors you like , the more colorfull and insane the better . You will observe that now people will just smile when they see it or completely ignore your "sword"

    Amazingly this same phenomenon also works for assault rifles , hand guns and tanks :scrutiny: , you cannot believe how the human mind perceives objects.

    I have an handgun that I sprayed with a cheap gold color , some black with a few streaks of green , whenever I take it out in company people smile and look at me with a grin , some even laugh , where usually they would get tense .... go figure
     
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    What's keeping you from casing it against the weather?
     
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    "911, what is your emergency?"
    "There's a guy riding a bike with a sword!"
    "Is he threatening someone or swinging it around?"
    "Well...no, he's just carrying it on is back and going somewhere."
    "Sir, that's not actually against the law. Please stop wasting our time." *CLICK*

    Ok seriously though, I'd just cover it with a cloth or case. I fence with a cup-hilt rapier and I just cover the grip end with some dark cloth and wrap it up. Nobody's even noticed.
     
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    I use an old cheap surplus side-zip duffel bag as a gear bag for bokken and such.
     
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    Cos... don't think you'd ever have a police problem (although I don't live in Cali or NY so I might be wrong). If stopped, a simple explanation that you're going to or from a class or dojo should be all it takes.

    The only advice my Dad ever gave me when I became a cop was pretty simple..."Kid, don't be a prick". I tried to follow that advice and most cops I ever met were of that mindset as well. Yes, there's an occasional "Barney Phyffe" everywhere you go but a simple explanation will go a long way to sort out any problems in that area....
     
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    i live in indiana and while it is legal to carry any bladed weapon openly (last time i checked, may have changed) in the city i live in you can still get arrested for doing so even if it is sheathed. no disrespect to the good cops out there but, the city cops here for the most part are a bunch of jerks more interested in forcing people to treat them like gods among men than in actually following/enforcing laws. i regularly get threatened by cops when i have my machete in hand to do yard work for friends. meaning i am chopping down mulberry, large weeds, ivy, low hanging branches, etc. i have even spent a night behind bars for it. they never filed charges but here they are allowed to hold someone for up to 48 hours without charges. they let me go when i asked to see my lawyer.
    point: dont assume you wont get hassled even if you aren't breaking the law
     
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    sorry to hear that... in my area any cop that even thought of that kind of behavior would find a flock of attorneys feasting on what was left of him.... or her.
     
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    LOL down here the cops stop and offer to help. Sorry you got a bunch of little men on your PD.
     
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    unfortunately this seems to be becoming more and more common as time goes by.
     
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    At my dojo people carry all kinds of weird stuff. Kris swords, Klingon battle axes, etc. Some enjoyed the attention. The instructor liked the free advertising. Any sports store will have a bag for most objects. Or make one from fabric and string.
     
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    Well last night two groups of people in cars could be heard saying in shocked tones "HE HAS A SWORD!"

    Lordy. This is a white piece of plastic with some steel stuck to it, and they're freaking out. But I had an idea. I'm going to start putting the HEMA fencing mask on the outside, so people will see that too. Hopefully their brains will make a connection. Should be an interesting psychology experiment if nothing else.
     
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    Just case the silly thing.
     
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    It's either too long (50") or too wide for the bags I've got, so I'd have to rig some kind of special two piece case, and make it more difficult to transport.

    Still, I'm not the only one with this kind of issue LOL:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtoINoEdLQ8
     
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    My surplus duffle will take a 48" jo.

    And you should have replied in shocked tones, "YOU HAVE CARS!!!"
     
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    piece of pvc pipe and a cover over the handle.you can attach shoulder straps to it.
     
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    Turn to them and say "there can be only one !":D
     
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    There's nothing under state law or Anchorage muni code to prevent the open carry of a live sword, much less a sword-like training device. (This came up somewhat recently when a guy called APD to check on the legality of his UAA sociology class experiment -- "go somewhere, violate social norms, and assess reactions" . . . his take on that was to run errands around town in full ninja suit complete with ninja-to or whatever ninja swords are called. I double verified my recollection of the law and found nothing to stop him from doing it so long as he was not trying to conceal the sword.)

    That said, I also know we have had officers dispatched to contact persons walking to and from kendo, fencing, whatever with swords slung over their back. One can be demonstrably not breaking the law when officers arrive, but if someone is going into hysterics about seeing someone with a sword (gun, whatever) it's likely to get officers dispatched simply from a liability angle just to make sure it isn't someone cracked out of their mind on spice and bath salt and off to stop the zombie apocalypse or whatever.

    Cool. Is that the class at Northway Mall or Fairview Rec Center or where ever they are holding it these days?
     
  21. Cosmoline

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    It's the same group--Dave's bunch. We're in the park behind the library now but shift to Fairview in the winter.

    To keep things interesting I just ordered a five pound war hammer to run drills with for strengthening. It's probably only a matter of time before I'm hauled away ;-)
     
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    By the way, every officer has encountered folks doing "something peculiar" -this sort of stuff can range from running naked to carrying gasoline cans and torches (and everything in between). The only way to sort out the harmless from the really dangerous is to stop and talk with them. Any cop worth his/her salt has done this many, many times and learned how to keep cool and see where things go. 99% of the time you find out that there's no problem whatsoever - it's that 1% that will keep you up at night... And yes, there are times when no laws are being broken but if you don't stop and ask you might not like what's going to happen...
     
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    Cosmo,

    Once you get a steel waster you're going to want to drop the blade into a PVC "sheath" just for your own safety as you go back and forth. While it is unsharpened and it doesn't have a needle point, there's enough of a point on it to be dangerous in an accident to you or someone else. You can even heat pvc pipe with a heat gun to flatten it into a sheath if you want to. Drill and add cords or webbing for straps and you could have a pretty safe way to carry it. Pick a big enough piece to flatten and it could cover the guard and be completely unrecognizable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rseA45hQI8M
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXSQ8o5nKGc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kg1Lmp9EVU
     
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    That's not a bad idea
     
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    Make it large enough to cover the guard and no one would have a clue AND it would protect all of it from rain/snow.
     
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