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Open to comments on Beretta 92 Series

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Plan2Live, Jun 11, 2011.

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  1. Plan2Live

    Plan2Live Member

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    I bought my first (an so far only) pistol as a young lad in 1985. I bought a S&W 459. I chose that model because I liked the idea of an autoloader over a wheel gun and I liked the functionality/familiarity of a hammer. I have never found this gun to be particularly accurate and I am considering adding another autoloader to my small inventory. In the past, I had always discounted the 92f and even heard that they had slide failure problems during the first gulf war. I went to the Land of the Sky Gun and Knife show in Columbia today and picked up just about everything on display. The best fit for my hand honestly seems to be the 92f. I prefer Hammers over Striker Fire, just a mental thing like my fear of heights but I still prefer a hammer. Many of the other hammer guns had the slide release and saftey crowding the same real estate. I searched THR for 92f comments and found very few. Does anyone have any comments to share on the 92? I am leaning toward the a1 variant so I can have the option of an accessory rail if I choose to add an accessory later. I'm all ears.
     
  2. txgunsuscg

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    Personally, I like the 92FS, which is slightly different than the M9 in military service (a few plastic parts like the recoil spring guide rod and trigger). The trigger is pretty good and it is very accurate. As your round count gets high (more than you'll probably put through it), just watch the locking lugs. If you see cracks starting to form, send it to a smith.
     
  3. winddummy

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    Beretta 92

    I've owned several over the years (6) and currenty have two. They are high quality hand guns. Slide breakage was not a big issue (only on the internet) The Navy didn't like them and bought some Sigs, which also had some slide failures. Yes they are large and fairly heavy but are accurate and very reliable. Just rack the slide, no other pistol can compare. And no, I am not a Beretta nut, most of the 25 guns I own are S&W and Sig.
     
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    In their day they were good guns, but when compared to other new alloy or other steel and even polymer framed guns they are really out dated.

    If the US military didn't use it as its standard side arm, it would probably be no longer made.

    In comparison the browning hp, sig , cz75 , glocks, xd, fnh are a lot better guns.
     
  5. 9mmepiphany

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    I really like the Beretta 92/96 platform and highly recommend it to folks if it fits their hand.

    1. The Beretta runs smoother than platforms based on the Browning tilt barrel system as the barrel moves back and forth on a single plane.
    2. The feed from the from the magazine is straighter than many other guns
    3. The magazine release is easily switchable from side to side
    4. Of the pistols with slide mounted safeties, the Beretta is the easiest to push off
    5. The locking block is easy to replace without replacing the barrel...the locking block issues were with the first gen blocks, that was 3 gens ago
    6. It seldom has ejection problems as it has the largest ejection port in current offerings
    7. It's extractor is designed to snap over the rim of a cartridge dropped into the chamber

    The Beretta has long been a favorite of armorers for movies due to the ease of converting it to reliable function with blank cartridges...very reliable
     
  6. rule303

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    If it fits your hand well, they are great guns. Accurate, reliable, and built like a tank. IMO probably the best DA/SA trigger pull out there. I prefer the safety setup on the Taurus clone to the original, but the Beretta has a much nicer fit and finsh.
     
  7. SharpsDressedMan

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    None of my guns are outdated. I have a Colt from 1913, and a S&W from 1915. I have a Beretta 92FS, and it will do everything that my CZ, Browning, S&W, and Walther 9mm's will.
     
  8. Minnesota Wild

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    I've shot them pretty extensively and really like the platform. Like has been mentioned, they don't fit everybody's hands. The accuracy of the stock gun is fairly good for a gun designed for military/police applications.

    You mentioned the slide breaking issue; I have seen three guns break the slide. All were M9s that had fairly high round counts through them. Unless you are somebody that shoots huge amounts of ammo, I don't think many civilians would shoot the gun enough to ever potentially cause an issue.
     
  9. Plan2Live

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    So far so good. Keep the comments coming, good or bad. This is not a small investment or quick decsion. All opinions are welcome. Once I make my final decision, I will practice enough to be familiar with the weapon but won't be at the range every weekend. This will be a worse case weapon, not a carry gun or daily driver. I'm looking for reliablity and accuracy. For my taste and limited range time, the 1911 platform has a lot going on before you can shoot, thumb here, grip just so back here, just not my style. As I said earlier, I prefer hammer guns so all I ask is let's keep the focus limited to hammer guns. It wouldn't make sense to recommend a truck if I prefer a motorcycle.
     
  10. Snowbandit

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    I really like the Beretta 92 series and have 2 myself. I've carried them as duty weapons and even concealed on occasion. Plenty accurate too. I aced 2 different state and a federal law enforcement qualification course with one of mine a while back.

    Not to discourage your Beretta search in any way but you also might also have a look at the FN's made right there in your hometown. Them's some fine weapons too.
     
  11. maswell

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    I shoot mostly HKs, sigs, and glocks. One day at the range I was shooting pretty well, and the guy next to me came over and asked what I was shooting. He handed me his 92 and said, "You seem to know what you are doing -- I cant hit anything with this." I gave him my P9S and took his 92 -- he shot well, I was all over the place.

    Now, my hands are small so the 92 was chunky for me -- so it very well may have been the fit. My experience wasnt positive though. I sold the guy on HKs though...
     
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    The Beretta 92 series is the best pistol in its class.
     
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    i have a 92a1 and love it. i have glocks, rugers, and a springfield loaded. theres
    something about the beretta. im thinking about maybe a second one. berettas been
    around along time. i enjoy shooting it very much. good luck with your search.
     
  14. Got_Lead?

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    I've had zero problems with mine, and they are very smooth. They seem to function on anything you feed them, at least mine does. They look cool, and if it fits your hand, go for it. One of the better features of the design IMHO is the open breech, you can shoot a lot, and it really doesn't ever gum up or get dirty, the powder resudue and soot seem to be a lot more free to escape than be trapped inside the action, like closed barrel autos with an ejection port. This is nice when you are shooting lead boolits, which seem to gum things up a bit more with the boolit lube and all.

    Field stripping is a breeze, takes about 5 seconds. Accuracy seems to be pretty good although I'm not sure why (the barrel dovetails into the frame, rather than the slide, adding a lot more tolerance for mis-alignment with the sights).

    The downside of the Beretta's is that it is very difficult to match fit a barrel for target shooting because of the design of the pistol. Military marksmanship units spent quite some effort to get the pistol to shoot to match standards. Closed barrel pistols, 1911's, SIG's, Hi-Powers, Glocks, etc, where the barrel is mated inside the slide are much easier to match fit for the demands of target accuracy. But we're talking about making a 2" gun shoot to 1" or less at 25 yards. That may not seem like much, but it's a pretty good jump for a self-loader. My Beretta is shooting 2 to 3 inch groups at 25 yards, and I really haven't started to work-up an accurate load for it.

    I think they are a fun pistol to shoot, have fun.

    Anyway, here are some pics:


    Comparison groups between the Beretta and SIG 226. The Beretta is shooting about 2 1/2", and the SIG about 2" at 25 yards.

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    Open Port really vents powder and soot, keeping things clean when shooting.

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    Field stripping is easy.

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    One of the few caveats, the barrel doesn't have much dovetail surface for tight support, it can wiggle a bit when in battery, but it still seems to shoot pretty accurately.

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    This is the only support the barrel gets, unlike closed slide autos, where the barrel is supported at both ends by steel, the Beretta barrel is only partially supported, and not by steel, but by a dovetail in the aluminum frame, hence the wiggle factor. It is however, locked into the steel slide with the locking wedge, which does add stability.

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    I think you will like the 92A1 if you get it, since you are leaning that way.

    I have two of them, and they are most excellent guns. My fav of any of the railed models :)

    I have eight 92 variants, and the platform has become my fav, actually.
     
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    I have an M9, mostly for "its neat" purposes, and i can tell you its hard to use the sights, hard to steady, and hard to develop loads for. It liked a pretty good no longer published HOT unique load to make it shoot good. 124 grs at about 1250 fps on my across my chrono. Hammers are an advantage, triggers not horrible, and very easy to clean and maintain. Ide go S&W if I did it agian. Hope that helps
     
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    They are still one of the best guns made, IMO. Rack the slide on a 92 and it feels like it's rolling on ball bearings. Rack the slide on a Glock and it "clunks". They are top notch quality at a very fair price. They're big, but they're a service pistol. I wouldn't carry mine. No plastic pistol can even come close to the Beretta 92. I've owned Glocks, and I'll never own another. They look fugly, feel like a toy, and just lack style. If I could only keep one gun, it would be my M9. The 1911 has been around 100 years. it's not going anywhere, and neither is the Beretta 92. And the SIG is no better than the 92. I've owned a 226. Nice gun, but SIG's are overpriced (rivaled only by HK) and they are no better.
     
  18. Plan2Live

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    Good, stuff, thank you everyone. Interesting comments on the frame verses slide anchoring. You folks have great information. And I really appreciate not getting blasted for not liking the 1911 design, for me. On the accuracy topic, I doubt I will ever be using a pistol to shoot beyond 25 yards so I'm not likely to put a lot of money into accurizing beyond factory specs.

    As for the FN, please correct me if I am wrong because I handled a lot of pistols yesterday and didn't keep notes, but I think the FN had the saftey and slide release close to each other like many other pistols. I won't shoot a lot so I don't want to risk getting confused over buttons when/if it counts.

    I held a Sig 226 and it could be a contender but still felt a litle fat in my hand.

    I really liked the Springfield XD but prefer the hammer. I think the S&W M&P felt decent too, but again, lots of guns and no notes. The Beretta just kept floating to the top and I was trying hard not to show preference on anything but hammer and overall feel for my hand.
     
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    Take a look at the CZ 75 SA if you like sa pistol with a hammer, it's a reliable tackdriver.
     
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    The Beretta* is one of the top three most used military and police pistols in the world.

    *and its clones.
     
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    I looked at the CZ and it felt as good in my hand as the Beretta but it was another one of the pistols with the saftey and slide release on the same plane and only about 3/8ths of an inch apart.
    which just doesn't feel right to me. Too much going on in a small space.

    One of the tips I have read over and over here on THR is get what works for you or what you are most comfortable with.

    At this point I think I need to find a range where I can rent a weapon and try the 92 out and see if I still like it after I fire it. If not, then the search goes resumes.
     
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    Just go get a Beretta. Go get 1, or 3, or er... 8... Or whatever :) :)

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    A 92FS with a "D" (hammer)spring is something to experience/enjoy. You cant go wrong by getting a Beretta.
     
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    I would have to disagree,I just bought a beretta 85fs in 380 auto cal.It is one quality made pistol.
     
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    Fine piece of machinery! :)

    And thats all there is to it!

    92FS x 2

    Want to get a FS Compact, maybe this year!
     
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