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Open vs. concealed carry

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 21bubba, Jul 6, 2009.

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  1. 21bubba

    21bubba Member

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    I really don't want to start a flame war, but i'm trying to understand why someone would want to carry (legally) open. It just seems to me that they would be asking for trouble.

    I'm not for or against open carry, i just wouldn't want the hassle from the sheep or LEO.
     
  2. Kind of Blued

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    I don't do it very often, but here are some of the reasons why I and others open carry, whether people consider them real advantages or not.

    Quicker access to gun
    Easier to carry the bigger, more powerful gun that one shoots more accurately
    Much more convenient in warm weather
    Deterrent effect on would-be criminals
    Demonstrable pride in one's freedom
    Demonstrate to others that guns aren't just for cops and robbers
    To educate the public, and sometimes the police, of the law, and our freedom

    My favorite thing about living in an open carry state is that I can carry a 1911 OWB while wearing a T-shirt, and I don't have to worry about printing, partially exposing the end of the holster, or completely exposing the entire thing. It's all legal.

    This thread will probably inevitably turn toward a number of cliched disadvantages which usually don't even amount to anecdotal evidence. I've always thought that our own member Mainsail addressed those issues very effectively with this thread.
     
  3. FlyinBryan

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    i cant here in tx, but if i could i am sure i would from time to time for many of the reasons king gave.

    i especially thought these were great.
     
  4. WTBguns10kOK

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    Depends on where you are carrying. I openly carry in the woods because I don't think a bear, moose or bad person will care whether my gun is concealed or not. Never have had anyone make a problem about my gun, maybe someday though...
     
  5. Rockwell1

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    This topic has been done to death there are at least a dozen 7&8 page threads on the topic. You might want to try a search.
     
  6. jakemccoy

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    In my county of California, getting a CCW permit is basically impossible.

    Open carry is legal without a permit.
     
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    And KY.
     
  8. dirt_j00

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    For me, its a lot easier and more comfortable to carry outside my pants than to carry:

    -inside my pants
    -on my ankle
    -near my crotch
    -in a man-purse
     
  9. Blackbeard

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    Don't forget IL!
     
  10. husbandofaromanian

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    Because I don't want to get in trouble because an aggressive LEO can see part of my pistol showing through the top of my pocket.
     
  11. Yo Mama

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    Not as common as it used to be. CCW is the push lately.

    Please don't start cop bashing.
     
  12. 21bubba

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    Kind of blued ,thanks for the link.

    Rockwell1, You're a wizard if you can find some specific topic with this search function.
     
  13. hardluk1

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    It is one thing if you own a large tract of land and carry open or are hunting, but to carry in public if concealed is legal just does not make sents. To many nuts out there as is, leo's included, to take a chance on getting someone all excited and doing something that could change your life. If a bad guy see's your gun and he wants it he will take your life, just because it is there it could make you first on the bad guys hit list. If conceled you have the upper hand. Even on your own property a rifle in a tractor or truck would be of more use and as soon as it is legal to carry on forest land you still don't want to get all the tree huggers all fired up see'n some nut carry'n open. To many ways to carry with common sents and not offend the meek or the pissed off just because you can. I grew up in an area that went threw this. I have seen both sides and it did not work out well for the gun owners once the public had desided it had enough of open carry. Allways someone to test the new changes and end up in jail and then lossing his rights to carry at all. Today if in the right place at the wrong time someone could take you for a bad guy and just shoot first, happens all the time.
     
  14. dirt_j00

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    Got a link?
     
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    I open carry only while hunting or if I'm on private land. People's perception of a gun on someone dressed in camo is ok and no one should be on our property either.
    Otherwise it's concealed carry only. It's just easier if the sheeple don't see a gun.
     
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    here we go...

    i expect this will go about as well as the other threads on open carry. for some reason, there are lots of THR members who not only would never choose to OC personally, but seem to outright despise the idea of others doing so.
     
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    There are a lot of THR members who are flat out anti gun they just can't bring themselves to admit it for some reason.
     
  18. tju1973

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    I am for open carry for the reason that it is hot as heck in Texas and hard to conceal my XD45 wearing a tank and shorts...

    Also, I would like to be able to carry without fear of being harrased or arrested for "showing"--

    I have been vetted by the State to conceal a weapon-- the State thinks I am ok to carry a weapon, so why can't I just carry it how I please?

    DUmb law, and a throwback to Reconstruction....

    :fire:
     
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    1) Political statement with a group

    2) Virginia law prohibits concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.

    3) Convenience

    4) Crime deterrence


    OC'ers suddenly getting shot doesn't happen...more bunk along the lines of Brady's "blood will run in the streets" statements regarding CCW.
     
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  20. Vern Humphrey

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    Open carry should be legal so if your shirt tail doesn't cover your gun completely, you don't get arrested. Concealed carry should be legal so if your shirt tail does cover your gun completely, you don't get arrested.

    A classic example is Virginia -- the Virginia concealed carry law prohibits carrying in any establishment where alcohol is served. So if you take the family out for dinner to a restaurant that serves alcohol, you cannot carry concealed.

    But open carry is legal in Virginia, and there is no prohibition against carrying openly in an establishment that serves alcohol. So a Virginian taking his family out to dinner simply removes his cover garment as he enters the restaurant and is perfectly legal.
     
  21. ArmedBear

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    Why do I OC?

    It's ALWAYS more comfortable, if it's a real gun and/or I'm walking a few miles.
    I don't care if someone doesn't like my gun.
    I want to contribute to a OC raising few eyebrows -- the more people are used to it, the less it bothers anyone.
    It's my right under the State Constitution, and a right unexercised is a right lost.
    I'm doing something in the hills or mountains, or I'm on the way there. CC'ing a 686 or 629 is a REAL PITA, and defense against non-human attackers is my first priority anyway.
    In tourist/resort areas where blissninnies hang out, I figure that a lot of OC will scare off the "wrong" people and make the "right" people want to stick around.

    Why do I CC?

    Tactical advantage. The element of surprise may keep me from HAVING to shoot someone.
    Comfort/convenience. Pocket carry of a small gun is unobtrusive. I forget I have it, but I always know it's there.
    Low hassle factor. I don't want to deal with having to explain myself in a business, or check my gun at the front counter, or similar. So I have a gun in my pocket and to hell with it.



    In town, I usually conceal. As I wrote, for human attackers, the element of surprise matters to me. Pocket carry is comfortable and convenient for driving.

    However, if I'm on the way to go hiking or something, I might have a holstered gun on my belt when I get gas in Boise. The only look I have gotten was a smile. Idaho has some very-pro-gun people wandering the streets.:)

    If a cop gives me undue grief for what is well-known by the department to be perfectly legal, I'll enjoy suing the department. I'm not worried, though. The cops I've met here are some really wonderful people -- some REALLY positive experiences.
     
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  22. riverrat373

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    Since I have been on this forum I have noticed that there are more than a few people who seem to think that those who don't agree with them "are flat out anti gun they can't bring themselves to admit it for some reason." Tolerance for other people's opinions makes for a more united group.
    By the way, I support open carry.
     
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  23. HKUSP45C

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    I fail to see how having an object concealed and therefore unknown to the world around you keeps you from having to shoot someone. Exactly how does the element of surprise prevent you from having to shoot someone?
     
  24. ArmedBear

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    Armed robbery situation.

    If the robber sees the gun, you're the first target. Your only defensive option is to shoot first, if you're lucky enough to have the chance.

    If only you know you have the gun, you can decide the when, where and what.

    That said, I'd probably just shoot someone who was actually pointing a gun at innocents. In that case, the tactical advantage would allow me to shoot first. But again, it would be up to me to decide what the best action is.
     
  25. Vern Humphrey

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    You've got a point there. Deterrance is through the potential assailant knowing you are too dangerous to attack.
     
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