Opinion piece from Dr. John Lott in the Wall Street Journal

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I think it's simply just that a lot of folks here are in denial.

It'll never happen here like it did in Australia or New Zealand, right?

Sure, and about that bridge you want to buy ... I've been around long enough to have seen that a lot of things have occurred in my lifetime alone that most Americans never, ever would have believed could happen in our country.
Your speculation about pricing gun ownership out of existence seems like a likely scenario. That would allow the industry to continue by focusing just on the high end of the market.

Limiting gun ownership to the well-to-do is almost a perfect solution, from a gungrabbing point of view.
 
Normal homeowner's insurance will only cover guns to the tune of whatever they allow for personal belongs, home furnishings and other content. Nothing extra for guns, unless you buy a rider. And then they'll need proof of ownership and value: pictures, serial numbers, sales receipts or appraisals.
I meant a separate firearms insurance. Like what NRA gives but with higher coverage.
 
wiscoaster: When I asked about "the govt". getting info on FFL gun sales, I was referring to widespread suspicions that the ATF > keeps < records far longer than supposedly is required by law.

I have no idea about their internal records, but the question addressed what seems to bother so many legal gun owners.

oldladynewshooter:: I wasn't trying to say, or suggest anything 'between the lines' about insurance going straight to the US govt. That notion seems quite far-fetched.

Am simply not into the X-Files'-generated ideas which so many Americans seem to assume is probably fact, instead of mere entertainment.
 
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It has been said many times before - there will be no door-to-door collection effort IF a ban ever became "you know, the thing".

They would simply declare an amnesty period of some months to allow you to turn them in beyond which you would become a felon for possessing the banned object.

So you will be "free" to keep it, but charged with a felony if you ever bring it out of the closet to someplace where it can be seen by someone willing to turn you in. And, of course, once THAT happens, you will lose ALL of your firearms not to mention a whole bunch of other rather negative consequences.

I've heard this theory of the much dreaded gun ban. I used to think it was actually what was most likely. I'm no longer so sure. Eric Swalwell Beto O'Rourke, and most notably, Slo-Joe Biden's recent proclamations about "coming for our guns" make me think that the govt., under leftist control, won't be that passive about gun confiscation.

Would it work? I dunno. I've heard law enforcement officers talking about this saying "there aren't enough of us" to go around grabbing everyones' guns. This is actually likely true, and a reasonable person would conclude it would be stupid for the govt. to try it.

But government does "stoopid" all the time. Especially when they really believe they can control us with either fear of consequences, or pay us off with goodies. In the 1990s Hillary Clinton tried to enact a scheme to have gov. take control of healthcare. It was ungainly and preposterous and stoopid -- and it failed -- but today we have Obamacare, and even when the repukes had all three branches of gov. a few years ago they couldn't undo it.

So do not be so sure the DOT GOV WON'T go door-to-door. It would be stupid. But government does stupid all the time.
 
wiscoaster: When I asked about "the govt". getting info on FFL gun sales, I was referring to widespread suspicions that the ATF > keeps < records far longer than supposedly is required by law.
I have no idea about their internal records, but the question addressed what seems to bother so many legal gun owners.
I think you have reason to be suspicious. FFL's are pretty close-mouthed about their contacts with the BATF, but I've come across enough anecdotal accounts of agents demanding records during audits and making copies of same. Who knows where those copies go and how long they're kept?
 
As Tommygun said:

"But government does "stoopid" all the time."

The Governor of California just signed a bill that required all cars be carbon (gasoline/Diesel) free by 2035. Cars MUST be powered to run on an energy source that has not even been invented yet The US House is working on the same insane idea right now, only the year is 2025. All windmill jousting material.

"Gun control" will be a bunt for them.
 
I read every word of Biden's gun violence plan. Every word is bad, but two stick out. One was already mentioned - suing gun manufacturers for products that work as intended. I don't see how that would fly since our military uses some of the same manufacturers, and some of those gun companies make ammo too.

Segue into point two:
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

Well that'll pretty much kill everything, won't it? I like my LGS, but they clearly do not meet my ammo needs.
 
Normal homeowner's insurance will only cover guns to the tune of whatever they allow for personal belongs, home furnishings and other content. Nothing extra for guns, unless you buy a rider. And then they'll need proof of ownership and value: pictures, serial numbers, sales receipts or appraisals.
State Farm does not require any of that. I gave them a very general list of firearms, only make and model, what I wanted each one insured for, no pictures, no serial numbers. They didnt even require a list, but it made it easier to total up the value I wanted insured.
 
Dr. Lott has a been a pro 2A researcher for decades bringing light into the smoke and mirror world of the Anti 2A propaganda machine. Seeing an opinion piece in the WSJ by him is refreshing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/Democrats-are-coming-for-your-guns-11601938911?mod=opinion_lead_pos6



https://crimeresearch.org/2020/10/a...s-liable-for-gun-crimes-hurts-the-vulnerable/
Dr. Lott has also been busted more than once for his flawed methodology.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130304061928/http:/www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/lindgren.html

Probably not real wise to base too many pro-gun rights in arguments made by Lott. Be extremely skeptical when you see Lott's name attached to anything.
 
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...what I wanted each one insured for...
Well, good, but I'd still suggest getting out your magnifying glass and carefully reading the mice type in your policy, because what your agent tells you and what the company actually does when presented with a claim can be two very different things. I'm not accusing your agent of deception, it may just be a case that this is a type of loss they've never handled before and they simply don't know. Remember, though, when push comes to shove, they are the company's agent to you, they are not your agent to the company.
 
There comes a point in collecting when insurance becomes cost-prohibitive (mostly because of inflated values). At that point, you have to rely on physical security measures plus hopes and prayers.
 
Dr. Lott has also been busted more than once for his flawed methodology.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130304061928/http:/www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/lindgren.html

Probably not real wise to base too many pro-gun rights in arguments made by Lott. Be extremely skeptical when you see Lott's name attached to anything.

Lott isn't the only researcher who has come up with research documenting gun rights and the stats of self defense in America. Dr. Gary Kleck of the University of Florida has researched the matter and his results pretty much parallel Lott's. There are others as well.
 
You don't need to confiscate gun's just stop producing ammunition. The choices would be stop shooting and conserve what ammunition you have left, or just run out and that would be that. Gun's have no value without ammunition except to collector's.
 
You don't need to confiscate gun's just stop producing ammunition. The choices would be stop shooting and conserve what ammunition you have left, or just run out and that would be that. Gun's have no value without ammunition except to collector's.
....well, except for reloaders and blackpowder enthusiasts ....
 
I've said this before and I'll say it again -- if the Democrats take the Senate, they'll have an organizational majority but not an antigun majority. Antigun stances are not popular in the marginal "purple" states that they have to carry in order to achieve their Senate majority.

There's not a chance that a gun confiscation bill would pass the Senate, whether under Democratic control or not.

Do you believe that is a reason to even think that a Purple state will not turn Blue? Ask States like Virginia how Northam is working out for them.Virginia was once a proud RED state and has been going down hill since the ANTI Northam became GOV. I feel for Virginians.
Yet another crusader to make as many ANTI laws as possible. How is California doing as a Blue State? I will disagree with your view. No they may not take away all firearms (right away) but do not think Harris would not be one of many that would make life miserable for all and not just firearms.
I know a lot of liberal gun owners that will use the Bump Stock ban by Trump to influence votes to the left, but come on, Harris would be a disaster. Harris is dangerous to this Country. (and it seems a very high chance she would become President of the United States)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...l-proposals-include-ban-on-online-ammo-sales/
 
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My only consolation in all this is that the more aggressively enforced any gun or ammunition ban may be, the heavier the consequences at the next election. The more voters are adversely affected, the greater the negative reaction at the polls. Every action has consequences, and political candidates can do nothing unless they are elected. All are a mixed bag, but every voter has a tipping point.
 
Harris would be a disaster. Harris is dangerous to this Country. (and it seems a very high chance she would become President of the United States)
Parse Harris' gun proposals carefully (from when she was running in the primaries). It all boiled down to a huge nothing, designed to appear significant to the antigun activist base, but in reality not doing much. Harris is above all an opportunist. She blows with the prevailing winds. I don't expect any real initiatives coming from that direction.
 
... Harris is above all an opportunist. She blows with the prevailing winds. ...
Great analysis and agreed, except I differ in one respect: she blows with the prevailing campaign money supply. Which in this case is Michael Bloomberg. Being from Virginia, I'm sure you're well aware of his political goals.
 
The more voters are adversely affected, the greater the negative reaction at the polls. Every action has consequences, and political candidates can do nothing unless they are elected.
Well, I'm not onboard with that philosophy. As someone noted earlier, getting legislation passed is far easier than getter laws repealed. Two or four years, or more, of waiting and trying to un-f*** bad laws or regulations does not work for me. Better to be pro-active, and not let this happen.
t all boiled down to a huge nothing, designed to appear significant to the antigun activist base, but in reality not doing much. Harris is above all an opportunist. She blows with the prevailing winds. I don't expect any real initiatives coming from that direction.
Once again, underestimating the real intent or determination of the anti-gun folks has bitten us in the rear too many times. I live in Washington, and that's precisely how it happened on the state level; it most assuredly can happen on a nation level.
 
Parse Harris' gun proposals carefully (from when she was running in the primaries). It all boiled down to a huge nothing, designed to appear significant to the antigun activist base, but in reality not doing much. Harris is above all an opportunist. She blows with the prevailing winds. I don't expect any real initiatives coming from that direction.

Harris is from San Francisco, "Sodom-by-the-sea." Trust me, she means it when she says she will take our guns.
 
Lott isn't the only researcher who has come up with research documenting gun rights and the stats of self defense in America. Dr. Gary Kleck of the University of Florida has researched the matter and his results pretty much parallel Lott's. There are others as well.
Kleck used some of the same flawed methodologies, and Lott used Kleck's stats for his own research. One such problem is the massive inflation of what constitutes a defensive gun usage, specifically that merely brandishing the weapon counts as using it. Kleck and Gertz vastly overestimated the number of Defensive Gun Uses and have been called out on it more than once. However, Gary Kleck has actual research and published his methodology for others to evaluate. He isn't afraid of defending his methodology because he put the work in.

Point is that Dr. Lott has been less than honest, going so far as to create online personas to sing his praises.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...critics/f3ae3f46-68d6-4eee-a65e-1775d45e2133/

If defending the right to self defense with firearms, don't use Lott. He's damaged goods. Use Kleck and Gertz. While their research might be disputed, they aren't dishonest and solid arguments can be made from their research.
 
Harris is from San Francisco, "Sodom-by-the-sea." Trust me, she means it when she says she will take our guns.
Career politicians tailor their message to their intended audience. She's on the national stage now. BTW, unlike Swalwell and O'Rourke, she never said she would take our guns. Check the record.

There's a difference between campaigning and governing. The likelihood of Democrats enacting truly meaningful antigun legislation (if they actually achieve the power to do so) is about on a par with the likelihood of Republicans enacting meaningful pro-gun legislation (if they actually have the power to do so). We saw what happened in 2017-2018, when Republicans controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress. What did we actually get on the gun front? A bump-stock ban. Crickets on national carry reciprocity, the Hearing Protection Act, and other "achievable" things we were expecting to get.

For professional politicians (of both parties), the gun issue is a way to stir up their base and raise money. They personally don't give a damn about guns. In fact, if they actually enacted their purported gun program (on either side), their cash cow would go away. They want a live issue, not a solution.
 
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