Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by ak-kev, Nov 28, 2009.
The newer rounded top slide Witness cannot take very well the beating of full powered 10 mm loads, no matter how stiff the recoil springs you use...eventually the slide crack, it happened to me.
EAA is adamant about not using full specs 10 mm ammo, their Gunsmith told me clearly, no Buffalo Bore, no Corbon no Double Tap....otherwise no warranty....you can only use the "FBI Lite" loads produced by the major ammo manufacturers, (your typical Remechesteral) which is the ballistically equivalent of a 40 S&W.
The Witness Elite and Match models retain the old style square slide top which, from what I hear, is tougher and can withstand the full specs 10 mm pills once you change the chronically weak factory recoil spring.
Magazines can be temperamental (I had 2 of them jamming all the time)
Customer Service is basically non-existent.
The Tanfoglio pistols are very nice looking and can be extremely accurate, unfortunately they are plagued by quality control issues (you can easily get a lemon) and they are imported from an organization I would not even trust to run a lemonade stand.
IMHO, I suggest to stay away.
When Tanfoglio will work out its issues I will be again an happy buyer again...
I'm in the same predicament.
I would love to have a 10 mm Auto pistol, I want an all metal, DA/SA double stack capacity, so the Glock 20 is out.
I been waiting for the new Vltor Pistol (the new Bren Ten) for more than one year but we still not know when it will be introduced and when it will I'm not so sure I want to be the guinea pig to test the inevitable initial glitches....so I would wait 1 or 2 years from the initial batch.
As I told you before my EAA experience has been extremely negative (well, ok the pistol was accurate and good looking) and so has been for a couple of my range buddies....at the moment I'm on the prowl for a used S&W 1006...It does not have the double stack magazine but it covers all my other requirements, they are built like tanks and they are supported by S&W no an erratic mom and pop shop down in Florida...
I had some FTF issues when my standard witness was new. I replaced the mag springs with +15% springs from Wolff in all my mags around the 300 round mark. I also started storing my mags fully loaded. I have not had a single failure to feed since. That gun is well into the thousands of rounds now.
I acquired my Match about three days after I got my mag springs. It never ran with a factory magazine spring, and has never had an FTF in my hands. My wife had one, but it was on her first visit to the range and I think she might have been limp-wristing it.
I would love to see someone take over at EAA that could step it up a level in the CS department. I read somewhere a while back the Tanfoglio tracked the cracked slide issue down to improper heat treatment but have never been able to verify that.
My next 10mm will be the VLTOR Bren Ten. Someday I may add a 2011 frame to the mix (STI or SVI). For the time being, my Witness fits my needs.
There are a TON of other posts about the EAA Witness pistols --- the ELITE MATCH in any calibur is a Best Buy !!!! I've owned/own custom high dollar guns from Jimmy Clark , Bill Wilson , Steve Nastoff , Jim MacArthure , and others --- ALL had hand-fitted BarSto , Clark , etc. Match grade barrels and either of my Witness Elite Match guns are as accurate.
BTW --- you CAN convert the single action Elite MAtch to a double action --- look close at my pics and you will see that one is converted to double action.
Black followers, especially in the .45, cause problems. The red followers seem OK.
Only issues I've had were with the magazine. Seems like the mag spring isn't strong enough when the mag is fully loaded to feed the gun properly. If you fully load the mag it'll have a FTF 90% of the time on the second shot. If you download the mag by two rounds then everything feeds perfectly. I really need to buy some new mags/springs but i haven't yet.
There's a british couple at my gun club that both use Elite Match's (in 38 super) for IPSC...one is stock and the other's been turned to a fully custom race gun
I like the fact you can rack the slide with the safety on and when field stripping you can strip the firing pin block very easly for cleaning.
I like these guns better then my CZ's.
blog today, seemingly confirming a SHOT show production launch.
All the dirty old men who appreciate quality in women, raise your hand now to comply!
I just decided that the WItness Match is too good of a deal to pass up. I never used the double action trigger on my Witness so I bought a new Match in .40 with the picatiny rail.
I'm going to sell my standard Witness because I like my new Match in single action a lot. I bought a set of birdseye maple grips from Sam at www.czgrips.us and I highly recommend him to anyone who wants to spruce up their Witness with handles that are a bit more handsome than the factory rubber grips. Sam does amazing work and you can have the grips thin or thick with swells or not and sharp corners or rounded corners.
I have many other firearms but the Witness series (and the Match in particular) are amazing guns at fantastic prices!
I don't object to sexual imagery in advertising-the models need jobs too. I would prefer that the distributor add a healthy dollop of business ethics and promise keeping to the overall package. The legs and gonatrophic attributes motif may cause some confusion in the marketplace. American Tactical Imports is now using sexual imagery plus motorcycles in its poster ads.
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