Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Pat Riot, Jan 23, 2022.
My 5 inch was sweet to shoot today before football
My biggest concern was buying a 686, GP100 or a 586 and THEN getting that “By the way…” statement from the gun clerk, guy at the range, guy on a forum. You know what I mean, the “By the way, that’s a great gun but they can’t handle (whatever) ammo” or “By the way, after 500 rounds of heavy use you should have (whatever) checked to make sure it’s okay”.
I hate “By the way” surprises.
So, I have decided that when I come across any of the guns I have listed, except for the Redhawk I plan to make a purchase.
I already have several S&W revolvers and I have owned a few Ruger single actions but never a Ruger DA.
So, I think it’s high time I had one, so the GP100 will be top of my list. Followed by the models 27, 686 and 586.
Of the models you have mentioned, I don't think any of them is a concern. They're all good revolvers.
Personally, I like the 4" 686 better than the 6" (I have one, and my shooting buddy has the other) simply because the 4" balances better, but you do have a longer sight radius and slightly more velocity with the 6".
I will add that one of my favorites for heavy .357's is the Model 27. I have two, both 5" inch guns (in homage to Skeeter) and they are just so smooth. Even with the heaviest of loads they are controllable and accurate. It is worth shopping around for in my opinion. I just had mine out a couple of weekends ago and it was just great fun.
Here is a pic of the 27-2 and the 624. Both great guns!
I did consider it. The prices are outrageous in CA. Perhaps one day when I leave here in a few months. Besides, I have actually never seen one in the wild.
I would be patient and wait until you leave CA. You will be amazed at what you can find at gun shows and local gun shops. My wife is from KS and we stop by local shops and auctions when were are back there. Lots of great deals that seem impossible to someone from CA.
It could be a "Freedom" present to yourself. Just a thought....
Yeah, prices are much better in states with less restrictions and who honor the 2nd Amendment. Like said above, you will be amazed!
If you DO see a 627-0, BUY IT. It is about as stout as a .357 can be. It is in the middle of these three. Bottom one is a 657-2 .41 magnum CH.
Before I started looking at other options I had 2 .357 Magnum revolvers on my “bucket list” or Grail Gun List. The model 27 and and the 327 TRR8. The model 27 is still on the list.
And it’s an N frame. Nice! Thank you.
I myself am keeping a sharp eye out for a 4" 27 "classic". As a fellow Southern Californian, I feel the OPs pain.
I am leaving here this summer and going home to PA or northern WV. Where I end up depends on a property deal I am working on.
Last March I was in Sportsman’s Warehouse in Corona and they had a 4” model 27 Classic in the display case. I should have bought it but I decided to wait a day so I could discuss it with my wife. It was gone the next day.
That was the last one I have been able to find around here.
I drowned my sorrows by purchasing another gun that I have wanted for a long time. A new model 25 Classic. It has been a fantastic firearm. No regrets.
The S&W L-frames (586 and 686) were developed to correct the ills of the Model 19. The grip frame is the same as the K-frame but the cylinder and frame of the gun is larger to better handle heavier 357 Magnum loads.
The L-frames are similar size as the GP100 and Colt Python and they have have a reasonable life digesting full power 357 Magnum loads. But, any gun subjected to full power loads will eventually need some tune up and tender loving care periodically through its life. But I've never heard of a S&WW L-frame, Colt Python, or Ruger GP-100 having a life as short as 500 rounds.
Of course, if one were to push the ammunition envelope, all bets are are off.
S&W Model 27's and Model 28's are N-frames that are larger than the K and L frames and should hold up best in the S&W line but at a penalty of extra weight.
I have a new production Python but only have less than a hundred full power rounds through it and the only GP-100's I have are 44 Special and 327 Fed mag. So, I really do not have an idea of long term life.
I do have a S&W 586-0 and a Model 19. The 586 is still chugging along fine.
I used the Model 19 for competition in bowling pins and IHMSA handgun silhouette competition for several years. Except for cracking the forcing cone on the Model 19, it has not required any other servicing. (S&W replaced the barrel on their dime but that service is no longer available and I protect my Model 19's these days shooting mid level or less 357 magnum loads in them. Note, I cracked the forcing cone on my Model 19 shooting 158 grain full power ammunition. The notion that only 125 grain full power ammunition cracks the Model 19 forcing cone is fake news at best.)
The only Ruger Redhawk I have is chambered in 45 Colt.
I do not feel that you will go wrong with any L-frame, GP100, Python, N-frame or Redhawk. You have to decide how heavy a pistol you want to deal with and then enjoy it.
But, in general, these days, I prefer to shoot mid level 357 Magnum loads under 158 grain SWC cast bullets. If i want wrist snapping recoil, I drag out the 460XVR.
(I have a light load in 460 cases for plinking with the "crew served" X frame revolver.)
I still can perfectly picture the 27 Classic at the LGS, circa 2017 or so. It just sat there, with the price coming down $50 per week. I kept thinking I should just buy the thing and put it out of its misery, but of course I didn't.
I can also picture the display case 30 or 40 years earlier, filled with pristine pinned and recessed Model 29s at $350 per.
I may some day stop being a fool, but the evidence is against it.
That’s interesting that the forcing cone cracked with 158 grain bullets. That is all I shoot in mine to keep that from happening. I generally shoot 1100-1200 fps loads in mine but not very often. Mine sees more .38 Special than .357.
Regarding weight of the heavier guns. The weight while shooting is fine for me. It’s the carrying that I think might be an issue, but the way I will carry will either be a chest rig or a shoulder rig. Once I get the gun I will decide on that.
I like to blame things on Murphy and his law. It leaves me an out to polish my foolishness in private.
The 4 inch 686 is right at 39.5- 40 ounces. I believe the 4 inch M27 is just over 40oz. I believe you would have a very hard time wearing ine out in 1 lifetime
in my experience, when i want more stopping ability than mid range 357 loads,
need more than 357 is needed- however 41/44 mags might be too much to "handle".
Consider 45 Colt in a S&W M25, Ruger Redhawk or a short cylinder BFR or FA M97?
For hunting a handload of 255 gr SWC at 1000 fps is easy to develop or the Grizzly
cartridge loading of 265 gr LBT at 950 fps are highly effective, easy on wrists, ears and guns ?
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