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opinions on small 9mm pistols?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by tuj, Feb 5, 2013.

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  1. tuj

    tuj Member

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    Hi fellow shooters!

    I am in the market for a small 9mm pistol. Single-stack, slim and small.

    What do you guys like in this department? Considering the PF9, P239, etc. open to others.
     
  2. JDGray

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    CW9! Best bang for your buck in 9mm carry.
    P239 is a top heavy pig, but does carry well. I stopped looking for the perfect carry gun after buying my CW9;)
     
  3. Girodin

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    There are several good options. A number of factors can help narrow the field:

    How much are you willing to spend

    How small do you want to go? Is it a case of the smaller the better or are you willing to take more size for a gun you can shoot and run better?

    Do you have a preference for a certain design, i.e. SA/DA, single action only, striker fired, etc.

    Just of the top of my head there following are guns I would consider:

    Kahr: K9, CW9, P9, CM9, PM9, MK9 etc (I really like the PM9/CM9 if small is a top priority)

    Sig: P938, P239

    S&W: Shield

    Springfield: EMP, XDs,

    Walther: PPS (I really like this one)

    Ruger: LC9

    I'm sure there are more I'm not thinking of


    All of the above are viable options. Some are more proven than others. It is more a matter of personal tastes and which attributes one favors than one being per se better than another.

    For a primary, belt carried gun, I really like the PPS and the EMP. The Walther is an underrated gun IMHO.
     
  4. meanmrmustard

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    Just from reading, videos, handling, and the new one I'm getting Friday...

    I suggest, if you can find it, a S&W Shield in 9x19.:)
     
  5. MCMXI

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    I use a P239 for CC and I see no reason to look for something else in 9mm Luger. It's extremely accurate, ergonomic and reliable, and as you say "it does carry well", but I can see why it's not for everyone ... nothing is.
     
  6. Armored farmer

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    I don't own one, but I like the looks of a Sig 938.
     
  7. tuj

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    I like DA/SA, or striker, either with a decent trigger. No SAO. Probably the biggest factor for me is a decent trigger.
     
  8. wow6599

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    Another vote for the PM/CM series from Khar.
    I have a PM9 that I won't part with......my wife had a CM9 that was stolen.

    Great "pocket" 9's.
     
  9. franco45

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    I too vote for the Kahr CM9 and CW9. I own both. They are very accurate and there isn't much felt recoil.
     
  10. toivo

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    A P239 and PF-9 are two very different animals. The SIG is larger and heavier but much more comfortable to shoot and will last several lifetimes. The Kel-Tec carries like it isn't even there, but shooting it is like having firecrackers go off in your hand. It will wear out eventually, but Kel-Tecs are lifetime warranteed to the original owner, and they will make it good even if they have to replace the whole gun.

    I know nothing about Kahrs, but a lot of people like them.

    You might also consider the Beretta Nano.
     
  11. jimbo555

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    Kahr or s&w shield. I have the lc9,and it is reliable but the trigger takes getting used too.
     
  12. kokapelli

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    It would be a mistake to pick any one of them without shooting them first.
     
  13. C0untZer0

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    Rohrbaugh R9
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:2.9in
    Length:5.2in
    Height:3.7in
    Weight:13.5oz
    Capacity:6+1 Rounds

    Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:3.35in
    Length:5.1in
    Height:3.7in
    Weight:17.5oz
    Capacity:7+1 Rounds

    Kahr PM9 / CM9
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:3.1in
    Length: 5.42in
    Height: 4.0in
    Slide Width: .90in
    Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
    Capacity: 6+1

    Kahr MK9
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:3.0in
    Length: 5.3in
    Height: 4.0in
    Slide Width: .90in
    Weight: Pistol 22.1 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
    Capacity: 6+1

    The MK9 is only slightly larger than the Boberg but since it's an all-steel pistol it's heavier than the Kahrs or Rohrbaugh. Some people consider a little too heavy for pocket carry.

    The guns start to creep up in size after the Rohrbaugh, Boberg and Kahrs until you're all the way up to the 6.29" for the Glock 26

    SIG SAUER P290
    Caliber: 9mm
    Barrel: 2.9in
    Length: 5.5in
    Height: 3.9in - magazine for P290 basically sits flush and doesn't add height to the pistol.
    Width: 0.9in - 1.1in w/slide catch
    Weight: 20.5 ounces w/magazine
    Capacity: 6+1

    Diamondback DB9
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:3.0in
    Length:5.60in
    Height: 4.0in
    Width:0.80in
    Weight:11oz
    Capacity:6+1 Rounds

    Kimber Solo
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:2.7in
    Length:5.5in
    Height:3.9in
    Weight:17oz
    Capacity:6+1 Rounds

    Beretta Nano
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:3.07in
    Length: 5.63in
    Height: 4.17in
    Width: .90in
    Weight: 17.67 ounces
    Capacity: 6+1

    Ruger LC9
    Caliber:9mm
    Barrel:3.12in
    Length: 6.0in
    Height: 4.5in
    Slide Width: .90in
    Weight: 17.10 ounces
    Capacity: 7+1
     
  14. WYO

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    The smaller the gun, the more it needs testing, evalutation and a break-in period before going live for personal protection. The smaller guns also can be more ammunition and lubrication sensitive and less forgiving with form errors. The Glock 26/S&W Shield sized guns seem to be the smallest you can go without a lot of concern about these things.
     
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    .

    Please explain.
     
  17. meanmrmustard

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    You talking about short cycling or what? I'm confused.
     
  18. Sebastian the Ibis

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    Since you did not specify 9mm luger, I would recommend a p-64.
     
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    The Smith and Wesson 3913 is popular and considered a timeless classic for single stack, 9mm. Even though they are no longer manufactured they can be found at a decent price.
     
  20. xxjumbojimboxx

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    Suprised and not suprised at the same time.

    No ones mentioned the Ruger SR9C...

    I have one, Its the first 9mm I've bought... Ever...Since then i got into collecting nines.. Still my favorite... and Ive gone through a lot of nines... probably 5 of which were pocket sized.

    EDIT... Oh, single stack.. my bad.. Duh..
     
  21. wow6599

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    Which other 5 did you like less?
     
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    If that were the case, I'd recommend the CZ82.
     
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    Let's not forget then that the .380 is also a 9mm round.
     
  24. WYO

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    You can read the forums on any of the micro nines (ok, maybe not Rohrbaugh) and see all the horror stories. Failures to feed. Failures to eject. Double feeds. People think they can buy a 9mm micro gun and treat it like a Glock 17 right out of the box. It doesn’t work that way. It is a 35,000 psi round and the small guns operate at the extreme limits of firearms design. The nines can’t be designed like a pot metal .25 from back in the day and be expected to hold up. They have stiff recoil springs and tight tolerances. Try the slide to frame fit on a new Sig P938 or a Beretta Nano. They come out of the box as tight as a tuned 1911. They have a tendency to like heavier ammo at higher velocities. They need to rely on grip and body pressure to provide some resistance for correct operation to make up for the lack of gun mass. They really like lubrication. (I am not a Kahr guy because of a bad experience, but a buddy with a CM9 suggested I break in my P938 like he did his Kahr, with lube dripping out of the gun and down my arms.) It just takes a little bit of effort to break them in and learn their characteristics.

    The sights on my P938 are awesome and make it a genuine 25+ yard gun even though I only can get 2 fingers on the grip. But, that doesn’t mean I should expect it to run through a 600 round pistol class without cleaning like a Glock. If I can get through 50 rounds of 124 grain Gold Dots without an issue, I am happy and don’t try to push it. I don’t have 50 rounds worth of magazines for it. Some people get upset because they expect it to function through the 600 round class without cleaning. The complaints seem to drop off noticeably with Glock 26/S&W Shield sized guns.

    YMMV
     
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    This.
     
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