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Opinions wanted on the Rossi single shot rifles.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by scythefwd, Nov 4, 2009.

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  1. scythefwd

    scythefwd Member

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    I am looking to purchase my cousin a rossi matched pair .22lr/410ga. What is everyone opinions on the rifle? I like that it is a single shot, and not too complicated but it should be fine for a first rifle for a 9 year old. I want all pro's, con's, and gripes (eg. rossi sucks.... but I won't pay much attention to that last group there). Would a cricket be a better choice. Are there any other rifles you would recommend? NO SEMIAUTOMATICS if you are suggesting a different maker / model. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Is it so bad that nobody wishes to say anything? I have seen nothing but great reviews, but they were all from 08. I'm just wondering how they have held up.

    Thanks again.
     
  3. JShirley

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    I've been wanting to get one for a few years, but can't give you any feedback from personal experience.

    I did use a H&R single-shot shotgun most of the time growing up, so I can attest to a single's usefulness and handiness.

    john
     
  4. scythefwd

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    John, I was taught on "singles". Singles in so much as I would have been whooped bad if I tried to put one in the magazine. I just think they are great for beginners rifles. I'll post a writeup on it in about a year when he gets it (pending approval from his Mom of course).
     
  5. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    They're ok for the money. But the one I had actually flew open every time you fired a shot, as in, it disengaged itself and opened up immediately upon firing (immediately AFTER firing that is) - not good. Probably not indicative of every one of their guns, but doesn't inspire confidence.
     
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    Tad,

    Had similar experience with an H'n'R Handirifle in 30-06... Made me, um.... Uncomfortable.

    The handirifle apparently doesn't tolerate oil in the action....

    J
     
  7. scythefwd

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    Tad, what caliber was it in? These things come in a few calibers, so I am curious.
     
  8. Arkansas Paul

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    My two nephews have Rossi singles in .223 and have been happy with them so far. They've had them for about three years now and have even killed a few deer with them. I don't see a problem with them and I agree on a single shot for a beginner. Good choice.
     
  9. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    scythe, mine was in .243 Win - it was reasonably accurate, and on paper is a much better deal than the H&R Handi (HAS a safety, lower profile hammer, etc.), but when it started to do that, I gave it to my half-brother, who's never shot it, and probably won't ever shoot it unless I take him to the gun range. I told him about the issue, too. Doesn't seem to be a real danger, as the pressure is fully released out the barrel it seems, before it opens....but still.
     
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    I don't know about the Rossi. I have a .17 HMR New England Firearms similar to this one:

    http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/youth.asp

    With a 3x9 Leupold, it is sudden death on ground squirrels. Got mine used (sans scope) for about $100. Made in the USA.
     
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    I also have had good experience with new england firearms.
     
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    I have no long term experiance with one I have had the 22/410 youth model for about two weeks here is my experiance so far . The 22 barrel is more accurate than I an capable of shooting Iron sights I do with the iron sight were metal the 410 seems to shoot ok. I have only shot paper with the 410, The 22 I have shot the 22 at paper, dirt clods, cans, etc. I have fire it at game once. I killed a jet black squirrel at thirty yards. my only concern would by that being as light as it is it might recoil a little much for a real small child. I have a scale like they use in the deli dept. in grocery stores. with the 410 barrel on it, It weighs 3.36 lbs
     
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    I vastly prefer the H&R/NEF single shots. The Rossi's that I've shot and handled have all been very loose and sloppy around the hinge pin, and really didn't seem as if they'd take any real abuse at all. Once closed, they locked up OK but the wobbliness while open really was not indicative of build quality. I suppose they're accurate enough - the one I shot was not scoped - but I don't know why I'd buy one when I can get the vastly superior H&R for around the same cost.

    For reference - I bought a youth H&R combo last year. It had a 20ga barrel, a 22LR barrel, and a 7mm08 barrel. It cost me $289 plus tax.
     
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    rbernie, I am looking at a 120 dollar gun. 250 or more is not in the same ball park. I'll take a look at the nef/H&R.
     
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    I used to own one of the .22/20 Rossi matched pars. It seemed like a durable enough gun. It was a fun gun, but it was not as accurate as I would have liked with the rimfire barrel. The fiber optic sights were nice. Braztech/Taurus/Rossi CS= horrible.

    Personally, I believe that a single shot bolt action would be a better buy. I would recommend a Marlin (9)15YN over the break action any day of the week. The Marlin is also a little bigger than the cricket- it will last your son a lot longer.
     
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    mp510 - my rossi experience vastly differs from yours then. My M68 has never failed me and after several thousand rounds it is as tight as the day it was brought home.

    Why do you believe that a single shot bolt is better buy than a break action?
     
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    The H&R should be a slightly better rifle. The rossi is about a 5 inch gun nothing spectacular. The H&R is about a 3 inch gun. I sell them.
     
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    I am unfamiliar with the terms "5 inch gun" and "3 inch gun". What do you mean by that?
     
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    Group Size

    I think the terms "3 inch gun" and "5 inch gun" refer to group size at 100 yards.

    Of course, he COULD mean naval artillery......:p
     
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    I bought the cricket for my 8 year old boy.It is the perfect size for a little guy,has peep sights and is accurate enough to make shotgun shells dance at 25 yards.
     
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    I have not shot either of these to compare groups but if they shoot 5" groups and the H&R shoots 3" groups why would you buy either? That's a horrible group size. I will say the NEF I handled didn't impress me at all. Infact if I was buying it I would have given more than $100 for it with the scope and all. It just looked and felt like a $100 gun to me. I see so many people that get their kids single shots to learn on only to upgrade in a few months to a year. I don't get it. Why not just get something nice like a decent bolt action that your kid can use now and will actually want to use in the future. Not to mention if you go with something like a Marlin XL7 if your looking for a rifle you will certainly get better than 3" groups.
     
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    hometheaterman - your assuming that he will be shooting for groups. My favorite gun isn't but a 2 moa gun on my good days (M1 Garand). It isn't my most accurate gun, but it is the one I enjoy shooting the most.

    The XL7 is a bit out of the price range and unsuited to my needs in this case.
    1 - It also only comes in 3 calibers.. 270, 30-06, and 25-06. Two are very common calibers where he lives and both are too much to learn to shoot with. I haven't seen 25-06 in Peoria ever. Doesn't mean it isn't there, but it isn't common.
    2 - You can't develop good form if you are afraid of the gun you are shooting. The .270 and the .30-06 will cause you to develop flinch if you don't have good form.
    3 - I am also trying to keep the cost of ammo down for those who will be paying for his habit. .22lr is about the cheapest round you can get.
    4 - I balked at a 250 dollar gun, why would someone recommend a 300+ dollar gun then?? I don't get it.
    5 - If he does decide to hunt... he won't be using a rim fire or centerfire rifle. IL is shotgun only. I might look at the .22lr/20ga combo though.
    6 - It doesn't come with iron sights. There is no use in teaching the basics if you aren't going to teach how to use iron sights. Scopes are pretty much point and click at 100y once they are dialed in. Iron sights require a bit more effort.

    If you could recommend a sub 250 bolt action single shot .22lr I would love to hear it. Once he out grows the rossi/nef/H&R, he will have access to other guns to shoot. This will be HIS which will be the real difference.
     
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    My GF bought a Rossi .22lr/ .410 combo because its pink and she collects pink guns. Well long story short I like hers so much I got one for myself as a truck gun in the .22lr/ 20 gauge.
     
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    The set is heavy. I worry that my kid might not be able to hold it still. I bought it on sale for 115 buck or so. It came with a wooden stock, so if I need to trim it for use I can, and since it is so cheap not feel guilty about it. Still a nice set to have. I took out the 20 ga barrel, and slipped in 4 boxes of 22's into the carrying case. Nice, compact and handy to have.
    Wait for a sale and if you don't like it you can get you $ back when you resell.
     
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    As for the OP I wasn't suggestion a XL7 for him. I just saw quite a few other posters saying they had these in center fire calibers. For a .22 rifle I'd go to Wallyworld and pick up a Savage either bolt action or a Marlin 60 or Savage semi auto. I know you said you didn't want a semi auto though so that's why I say I'd get the Savage bolt action. I think it's $117 here and seems like a nice gun. Now it wouldn't have a .410 barrel but as he got older he would still want a good decent .22 and the single shot one may or may not be the one he wants. In most cases I've seen the single shots are not the ones they want later on. I'd decide if he needs a .22 or .410 more and buy him a decent one that he will want to keep and enjoy a lifetime and maybe even pass down to his kids.
     
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