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Optic for new Ruger 556 MPR?

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  1. Huntolive

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    Seeking advice for a relatively lightweight optic to put on a new Ruger 556 MPR which has a flat top rail and comes with no iron sights.

    My main purpose for the rifle is occasional medium game hunting, having a capable battle rifle, non competitive Target shooting, but not for home defense.

    I'm thinking of putting a 2 by 7 by 32 redfield revolution on it.
    But I would consider some type of reddot or reflex type site. However I would prefer to have at least some magnification preferably at least 3 power.

    I also would like the option of backup iron sights so maybe flip up sights or possibly even 45° angle flip ups maybe?

    I am not willing to spend more than $200 for the optic and figure I can get the redfield scope I'm talking about either from my closet or for 150 or less.
     
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  2. BigBL87

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    I think I said in your other thread, I'd personally try out the Redfield first. If not, though, I'd probably look at a 1-4 scope.

    Under $200, I'd look at:

    https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Crossfire-1-4x24-Riflescope/dp/B00HYRGODO/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=1-6+scope&psc=1&qid=1572150502&sr=8-4&th=1

    https://www.amazon.com/Athlon-Optic...eywords=1-4+scope&psc=1&qid=1572150561&sr=8-9

    https://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Opt...-4+scope+bushnell&psc=1&qid=1572150972&sr=8-3

    https://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms...ywords=1-4+scope&psc=1&qid=1572150880&sr=8-26

    None of them are super lightweight, though. The Primary Arms is probably the heaviest (didn't look super close). For quality under $200 you will sacrifice something, and often weight is one of the big ones.
     
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  3. Huntolive

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    Yeah it's just that I have several good scopes I already own mostly 3 by 9 by 40 so which seemed a bit big for they are but maybe not.
    The 2x7x32 seems like could be just the thing but I'm wondering what else is out there that would work and also I'm thinking of best ways to set up backup iron sights

    Most of my other setups are for hunting so I guess with the AR flexibility I'm looking for interesting options but I'm not really an AR guy
     
  4. BigBL87

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    I have folding sights on my AR, I just have the rear under the scope and the front as far out as I can like I feel most people do.


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    With a low magnification variable, I personally don't feel the need to offset them but YMMV. I feel like offsets make more sense when you have a higher magnification scope and you might need to switch quick for a close shot. With a low mag scope, I feel like they are more literally backup since low mag is still usable for close shots, but that's just my POU.

    Since I only own one AR, I personally like a flexible setup which is why I started out with a 2-7 myself. I feel like low magnification variables, be they 1-4, 1-6, 2-7, etc. really give you the most flexibility, though they are kind of a jack of all trades and master of none (i.e. red dots are better close in, more magnification is better at range).

    Oh, and if you're ok with a 3x max on a variable, this is a pretty well regarded and significantly lighter scope than the ones I suggested above.

    https://www.natchezss.com/weaver-classic-v-series-rifle-scope-1-3x20mm-87-29-5-4-13-matte.html
     
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    I know that Leupold usually make the lightest scopes.
    I know that Vortex has gotten more (or less?) of my money...
    :)

    Vortex has several models that fit your description and budget. I own many CrossFireIIs, for a reason. Several really. Cost, reticle availability, price, magnification ranges, and the money I’d have to shell out...:D

    Leupold but one. It is three and a half ounces lighter, but only has a duplex reticle. And a heavy one at that. But over two hundred gets you a bit more option. And Leupold’s remarkable quality and svelt.

    Sport Optics has a great site to compare scopes with.
    If you choose to buy from them, I strongly urge you to call. They have often given me better deals than the computer would have.

    Palmetto State Armory has Vortex Strike Eagles, with a cantilever mount, for a song.
    I’ve been looking because I am constantly optics poor. Tool less, quick detachable mounts are not lost on me. It seems I’m always a rifle or two behind...

    I hope you enjoy the Ruger. Let us know what you got, with targets!:thumbup:
     
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  6. jmr40

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    Something with 1X on the lower end. I have 1-6X and 1-4X scopes on my AR's. 1X is faster to get on target with than irons and just as effective as a dot sight, surprisingly much faster than even 2X and you'll never need 7X on a 2-7X scope. 4X is enough magnification for at least 400 yards.

    This with an illuminated reticle is on my Ruger MPR
    https://www.swfa.com/vortex-1-6x24-strike-eagle-30mm-rifle-scope-kit.html?___SID=U

    This on another.

    https://www.swfa.com/nikon-1-4x24-m-tactical-30mm-riflescope-179153.html?___SID=U

    Both of those are on 30mm tubes and are a little on the heavy side. If you want to save some money, and weight there are several good options built on 1" tubes.
    https://www.swfa.com/nikon-15-45x20-p-tactical-223-riflescope-179159.html?___SID=U
     
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    When I go inexpensive, I try for best value between cost, quality, and warranty. For me, I’d probably go Vortex knowing something bad can happen and they have an outstanding warranty process.
     
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  8. Huntolive

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    Thanks for your great options and advice.

    Do you think I should even Bother to add Flip up Iron sights?

    How important is Co Witness?

    Need 0 mag to co witness, right?
    What about a magnifier I can flip out of the way like I have for my Tavor?
     
  9. Demi-human

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    Most any scope will focus past the front sights and not even "see" them.

    For 1x types to match the height of most front sight towers was 1.47" (last I was looking) and mount companies will state the height of the mount.

    I don't co-witness. When I have a scope, that's it for me.
     
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    I like a cowitness but i am not an ar guy. I have one because im a responsible American. I did an eotech with a vortex magnifier, with the magnifier flipped out of the way my iron sight cowitness or can be used on their own with eotech off. I just wanted no nonsense sighting in all situations , works great for me but cost more than $200. I can hit a 12" gong at 300 yards everytime even shooting fast, good enough for me -im not competing or going for tiny groups. 20190921_160319.jpg

    Edit: yeah- its not light.
     
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    Congratulations on buying your first America’s Rifle.

    In regards to your scope do you really need a variable power? At what range and terrain will you be medium game hunting? Likewise what ranges and shooting positions will you be target shooting?

    For 100 yards imho is is very hard to beat a quality fixed 4x scope. The question only you can answer is how often will I be changing the magnification settings? You can get a high quality fixed power scope for less than $200.00.

    As for backup sights Magpul is the industry’s standard. Their polymer sight is the industry’s standard. However they do sit a little high. I suggest you look at Mission First Tactical. Their polymer pop-up sights have a low profile and are protected by a cover when folded. I think they are ideal for that 1 in 10,000 chance your scope will fog up or be damaged.

    I also don’t see the need for cowitness if your front sight folds down. Carry a Swiss Army knife or a multi tool when you are hunting so you can unscrew the scope mounts and remove the scope.
     
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    I have a resfiield revolution 2-7 on my Ruger 77/22. I really like the scope quite a bit and I think it's a very good value. Its nice and light and I'm never taking it off
     
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  13. jonc

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    Most of my low power scopes can see the barrel of front sight on the lowest setting fyi. I'm used to it and don't even notice it anymore
     
  14. pblanc

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    Yes, with any magnification you will not be able to co-witness back-up sights through the optic, as you would be able to through an un-magnified red dot sight or prism scope.

    With some rifle scopes you will likely be able to have flip-up back-up sights mounted on the rifle, but because of the eye relief limitations of rifle scopes, the rear sight will wind up beneath the rear bell of the scope, so you won't be able to flip it up without removing the scope. This is also true of variable low power optics (LVPO) like the Vortex Strike Eagle mentioned. Even though it offers a pretty true 1X low power, you won't be able to use the flip-up rear sight mounted at the 12 o'clock position. The rear bell of the scope will be in the way.

    If I read you correctly, you are really not all that interested in very rapid target acquisition for shooting at short ranges with both eyes open. Un-magnified reflex red dot sights and 1X prism scopes really excel for that application. A good LVPO with a true 1X low power will allow you to shoot with both eyes open for maximum situational awareness, but even good ones have eye box limitations that are much less tolerant of eye position than red dot sights, and in my hands at least, do not allow as rapid target acquisition as does a red dot sight. I do have the 1-6X24 Vortex Strike Eagle mounted on one AR. I have also found that relatively cheap LVPOs, within your stated price range, leave a lot to be desired. I tried one Bushnell optic in this price range which fish-eyed relatively badly at 1X, and the low power was more like a 1.4X which made shooting with both eyes open difficult. That got sent back.

    A red dot sight in conjunction with a 3 or 4X magnifier on a flip-to-the-side mount is certainly an option, but I think you are going to have a hard time finding a decent RDS and a decent magnifier both for under $200. There are a number of good un-magnified red dot sights and 1X prism scopes within that price range, including the SIG Romeo 5, a number of Holosun units, and the Vortex Spitfire 1X prism scope. An option might be to start with one of these and add a magnifier later. With an un-magnified RDS and magnifier combo, you can swing the magnifier to the side, and flip-up and use your BUIS co-witnessed through the RDS alone.

    The limitation with a RDS/magnifier combo is often the range at which you intend to shoot and the dot size becomes a limitation. The dot size on reflex type RDS is usually at least 2 MOA. With a true holographic sight you can get dot sizes down to 1 MOA or so, but those are well out of your price range. A 2 MOA dot will cover 2 inches of your target at 100 yards and 4 inches at 200 yards. This may or may not be a limitation depending on your target size. I personally find red dots of 2 MOA to become limiting when shooting beyond 100 yards, and I cannot shoot as accurately with them even at 100 yards as I could with even a low-powered rifle scope with a fine cross hair reticle. With a 3X magnifier that dot is going to look three times bigger. It will still be a 2 MOA dot, however, because the target will also be magnified proportionately, but any imperfections in the dot due to the quality of the reflective glass or due to shooter astigmatism will also be enhanced.

    It also sounds to me that you are looking for an optic that is relatively compact and light weight. I think the most reasonable option would be a fixed power rifle scope of 3 or 4X magnification. A good one that I have used is the Nikon P-Tactical .223 3x32:

    https://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-p-tactical-riflescope-223-3x32.html

    The nice thing about this scope apart from being light and compact and of very decent quality for its price range, is that it is short enough that it can usually be properly positioned of the Picatinny rail on the upper receiver top without the need of a one-piece cantilevered scope mount thus allowing the use of straight-up conventional scope rings which are considerably cheaper. You could buy this scope and a decent pair of rings and stay within your stated budget of $200.
     
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    Leupold 1.5x4 with 45 degree offset flip ups
     
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    I put a Burris Fullfield II Riflescope 2-7x35mm on my 18" AR build and I liked it to much that I put the same scope on a .223 Mossburg MVP bolt action rifle. The price is around $165, the weight is around 12 ounces and it is very clear glass. It does not have any fancy feature but is an excellent all around scope.
     
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  17. Huntolive

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    Thanks for all your help guys
    I decided to order a vortex strike Eagle
    1-6x24 I with 30 inch tube that has both glass etched and illuminated reticles.
    Came with a one-piece cantilevered scope mount so it's perfect for the AR.
    Yes it was more than $200 total cost was 320.
    Buy once cry once
     
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    Nice choice! If I hadn't gotten my Simmons insanely cheap, my plan was to save up for a Strike Eagle or one of the Primary Arms 1-6's. I may eventually end up getting one of them anyway, honestly.
     
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    Now my only question this weather to put flip up sights
    Which I'd probably do offset at 45 degrees
    But I'm not really sure about that since I do have a zero 6X magnification and optional illuminated scope I guess I could just put them on the top rail and call it a day would I be able to do that and pop up the rear sight with my Vortex strike Eagle 1 x 6 on it?

    I see the Magpul front and rear pop-up sets for about $75 for front and rear.
    It looks like the offset sights cost about double that so is it necessary to do the offset 45?

    Thoughts?
     
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  20. pblanc

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    I have a Knight's armament flip-up rear sight that fits beneath the rear bell of the Vortex Strike Eagle when flipped down. I am quite sure a polymer Magpul MBUS rear would fit as well. Of course, using the rear sight would require removing the scope from the rail.

    Personally, I would become accustomed to becoming familiar with using the Strike Eagle at 1X with both eyes open rather than buying offset sights.
     
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    Burris is hard to beat! Unconditional no matter what full warranty.
     
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    Ruger MPR with a Burris. Red dot light intensity is adjustable and the scope comes with a lifetime warranty.

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