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Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by jh9x18ky, Aug 23, 2008.

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  1. jh9x18ky

    jh9x18ky Member

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    I have generaly used open iron sights, but as I get older, its not as easy.... Not at all familiar with red dot, reflex sights, etc.... What I would like to find is a sight to be used on 22 auto pistol and AR style rifle, with weaver or picatinny mount,that doesnt have magnifacation or use batteries, and can be changed from one to another without having to worry about eye relief. I dont have a local shop so I can go look, will probably have to order one. As far as price... would like to keep it under $200 or so if possible. Thanks for any suggestions.
     
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    Good news & bad news.

    Good news:
    Almost all red-dot or holosights have unlimited eye relief.
    Almost all have Weaver/Pict mounts.

    Bad news:
    Almost all have to run on batteries to project the dot, except the Trijacon ACOG, and it costs almost a grand.

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    actually, there's more bad news

    to get the right cheek weld on the ar, most mounts are quite high, while you'll want a very low mount for the pistol

    i'm not aware of a mount you can move back and forth between weaver (assuming that's what's on your 22) and picatinny (assuming that's what's on your AR)

    and the good mounts that return to zero on picatinny are almost $200 anyway

    and even if they did, the odds of both guns being zeroed with the same setting are remote, meaning you'll have to rezero every time you move

    consider saving up and getting dedicated sights. maybe a jpoint or doctor optics?
    http://www.jprifles.com/1.6.1.php
     
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    You can't really get away from the battery at that price, but luckily the batteries last many hours in these devices.

    I would go with the Jpoint that Taliv mentioned. Looks like a good one for the pistol especially.
     
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    Actually weaver & picatinny are the almost ecactly same thing, except for the width of the cross-bolt slots. If you always push the optic foreword until the bolt stops the optic from moving any further forward, there is no problem using either style base with the same clamp or rings.

    The Eotech for instance, will clamp on either style base perfectly with it's built-in mount.

    http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/NewsletterArchive.aspx?p=0&t=1&i=558

    But you would have to sight in again every time you put it on a different gun.

    Put a low Weaver base on the pistol, and a 1/2" riser block on the AR Picatinny rail, and you can use the same scope rings on both guns.

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    Thanks for the advice folks.... appreciated.
     
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    I've got a Jpoint on a pistol, and it works great; currently JP Rifles is selling them direct for $250 on summer sale, but you also have to spring for the base mount for more money.

    I'm also in the process of buying a Burris Fast Fire Reddot, which is a clone of the Jpoint/Dockter and can be purchased for $180 from Midway, plus it comes with a picatinney rail mount or $200 for an integral pic. mount. Other mounts are available for various pistols for about $50. I'll be mounting it on top of a Leupold 3-9 for best of both worlds type shooting: the Leupold for longer distances and the reddot for quick, close up targets.

    You might also want to check out some inexpensive reddots, such as Simmons with an integral Weaver mount: about $30 also at Midway.

    I also have a Hakko reddot 1X on my Beretta Storm, but it's no longer made. I use it in Tactical Matches on steel and it's very fast. It's more like a heavy duty J POint.

    Keep in mind that the typical reddot is usually 4-8 moa, which represents a 4"-8" dia. dot at 100 yds. As a result they are meant for visibility and speed, not precision.

    Reflex sights (e.g. Trijicon with the triangular ret.) which generally cost more, have other types of illuminated reticles, which may allow for better accuracy. But you're looking at 2x-4x increase in price!

    Hope this helps.
     
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