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optimal ak74 configuration

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by dvdcrr, Dec 27, 2012.

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  1. dvdcrr

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    I have been thinking about upgrading my bone stock sgl31 to bring it up to speed. I would like to do a front rail of some type for mounting a small white light, and an aimpoint for the sight. I am thinking about the PRO on an rs mount and a Midwest rail handguard. I don't want to buy gimmicky toys just serious hardware. I would appreciate your thoughts on the above equip as well as any other options. Basically this will be my carbine. If there is "right" way to set one up I want to know what it is.
     
  2. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    Here is my setup. I have a Primary Arms mounted on a MI rail with a TLR-1 Streamlight. I added after this picture a Magpul AFG.

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  3. Girodin

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    Optimal likely depends on the individual holding the gun and their preferences. I'll tell you a few configurations I like.

    Option 1: A ultimak gas tube rail with an Aimpoint T/H 1 on a quick disconnect mount. You can use any of a number of off set light mounts on the ultimak as well. This is a set up that has been used a lot by discerning shooters for a number of years now.

    Pros: it offers lower 1/3 co-witness and has qd. It is a robust proven setup It is everything you need and nothing you don't.

    Cons: This is a con for me at least, you still have the short AK hand guard. I prefer something that allows me to grip it further out.

    Option 2: The various mid west industries hand guards. You can look at the various options. They are available with mounts for various optics. My preference would still be for a T1 or H1. I personally like the longer extended hand guards and prefer the SS one that is smooth but rails sections can be added. For a light you can use a HSP thorntail mount with a surefire. There are of course various other options.

    My only complaint with this set up is that the top section, where the optic mounts doesn't cover the whole hand guard. If they'd done that it would be better.

    One thing that may be a con to some is that you have to remove the hand guard retainer.

    One option I'd advise skipping is the TWS hand guard. Gabe Suarez tried to sell these as the best thing to happen to an AK. As usual he was being a salesman and not someone interested in making sure folks got quality gear. These hand guards on very cool on paper, particularly if combined with a TWS top cover. However, in the real world they fall short. The problem is they get VERY hot. They get hot even with just casual shooting. When you combine that fact with the price, the TWS rail is not something I'd buy.
     
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    Giroden, ultimak makes a long railed lower handguard.
     
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    I actually own that hand guard, the ultimak that is. I'm not sure that I would recommend it though. For along time it was hands down the best thing available. Now there are more and arguably better options. The ultimak is a rather heavy hand guard. AKs are front heavy by nature. The Ultimak exacerbates that. It is also relatively expensive. It is, however, robust. I hope to have more time with the MI SS extended soon so I can better say, but I'm inclined to say I'd go with the SS over an Ultimak hand guard.

    One drawback that I forgot to mention with the MI hand guards is they lack a QD option for the optics. That may or may not matter to any given end user.
     
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    Thnks for the advice and pic.
     
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    Do you have to cut off your sling loop on the retainer to run the midwest extended handguard?
     
  8. Girodin

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    For the extended MI hand guards you remove the retainer. You could of course add a sling attachment at various places onto the MI hand gaurd.
     
  9. wally

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    On most AKs I've messed with, this is a major PITA as the pins to remove the gas-block and front sight are not like the taper pins on the AR front sight/gas-block. I guess you could always cut up the retainer to remove it. But I'm just not that big on rails to do such a thing.
     
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    People just cut them off. I wouldn't do it the other way unless I had a press. However, if you are going to go back (I've never been inclined to) there will be added effort.
     
  11. dvdcrr

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    Is the micro t1 the sight to use?
     
  12. dvdcrr

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    Can you recommend a light and offset mount for the ultimak
     
  13. Girodin

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    It would be my first choice.

    A lot of people use/like the vltor offset scout mount. That is probably what I see the most.

    SGL3161-Ultimak-H1-VltorLeft.jpg

    A set up I like is the T1 (or an H1), the vltor offset and a surefire. There are a lot of good surefires. Some folks like the G2 for its light weight (its lower cost helps too).

    Here is Larry vickers running this set up:

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    I'm actually debating between the set up above and an SS extended hand guard (perhaps with a thorntail light mount) with an aimpoint micro for an SBR build.
     
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    I have an extended Midwest Industries AK handguard (not the newest SS version), with the US Palm upper handguard for 30mm optics (Aimpoint/Vortex Strikefire).

    You do not have to remove the front handguard retainer, but you do have to cut off the sling loop on the left side of the retainer. I was a little leery of doing it, but once the handguards were mounted, I was happy that I did.

    On the left side, I have an offset light mount (Gear Sector), with a Surefire 6p in it. This setup lights up the back of the front sight base on a standard length AK, which I find tactically unsound. So, I'm looking for something that either moves the light further forward or lower.

    This setup does make the front end heavier by quite a bit, but it also makes it quite a bit more useful and complete in my mind.
     
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