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Oregon: "After deputy's child is shot, county readies gun-safe policy"

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  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Senior Member

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    http://www.oregonlive.com/metronorth/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_north_news/104393212114260.xml

     
  2. oldfart

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    The thread title is a bit misleading since the problem occurred across the river in Washington. The Oregonian is the largest newspaper in the area, so it covers stories in Clark County too.
     
  3. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

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    Guess it's too much to train the parents to train their kids. :rolleyes:
     
  4. TallPine

    TallPine Senior Member

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    And the kids can't figure out how to open it in three seconds or a little more ...?
     
  5. Hkmp5sd

    Hkmp5sd Senior Member

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    You can't legislate stupidity.
     
  6. Drizzt

    Drizzt Senior Member

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    Guns and carelessness

    Sarah Spellman
    Columnist
    January 30, 2003

    Here we go again.
    Sometimes, I sadden myself. I feel like I have become so desensitized by the parade of violence on nightly newscasts that when I hear that another child has been killed, it often goes unnoticed to me. These events turn up in the news reports so often that many times it really is easy for me to ignore it and often it leaves me unaffected.

    But this time, it's different.


    This time, when I heard the news that a 10-year-old girl from Vancouver had been accidentally killed by her older brother, I was left shocked and saddened. This time it stopped me dead in my tracks. This time I paid attention.

    The Oregonian reported that on Jan. 13, Emilee Randall was accidentally shot in the head by her 13-year-old brother Matthew with his father's gun while their parents were out of the home. The gun was located in the master bedroom, unattended, on a high shelf .

    To make matters worse, Matthew was already on probation for unlawfully possessing a firearm in 2001. He broke probation by possessing this firearm and is currently serving his full 30-year sentence.

    It gets even worse. The father of Emilee and Matthew is Craig Randall, a Clark County sheriff's sergeant. The gun used in the accidental killing was his duty gun.

    This story upsets me beyond belief for many reasons. Of course, it is sad that any innocent child has to die much before her time should run out. But it is even more depressing when this situation could have easily been avoided.

    The problem here is guns.

    As one could easily notice from recent events, children and guns just do not seem to mix, often resulting in many tragic instances. One that is near and dear to Oregon natives especially: the Thurston High School shooting of May 21, 1998. When these acts are brought home, however, it can evoke different views from people. And this case is no different.

    I am personally appalled by the fact that there was a gun left unattended in the house of this sergeant. As a man of the law, I would think he should have known better than to leave his gun unattended and that this wouldn't have had to happen. Although there is currently no policy with the Clark County Sheriff's Office regarding storage of guns, Craig Randall should have taken action and responsibility to prevent Matthew from getting a hold of the weapon. Whether a safety lock was to be in place, or purely locked in storage, anything could have possibly prevented this tragedy.

    Sure, the parents may have trusted their son, but with a background such as his, a "better safe than sorry" method needs to be taken. I can imagine that this family is sorry now.

    Although the damage has clearly been done, I hope that as a society, we can finally learn from this. How many children have to die? How many families have to suffer with this great loss of a loved one until we finally get a clue? Guns are dangerous -- period.

    It is time that, as a nation, we put away our "it won't happen to me" mentality. It has become clear that a certain level of responsibility needs to kick in. I am not arguing that the possession of guns should be criminalized -- it is our constitutional right and a privilege as American citizens. But with this privilege, responsibility must be taken to prevent children dying in the manner of Emilee Randall -- through the carelessness of gun owners.

    It is easy. Let's not let these accidents happen, and let's prevent them in the first place. Be safe -- take responsibility.

    http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/01/30/3e395dbd1d796
     
  7. Diesle

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    Call me silly, but I think gun safes are a good idea. Common sense really. Whether or not it should be illegal not to have one is another question.

    There are a lot of very well made safes that offer quick entry and very reasonable secuity against even the most agressive force. (kids often times being the most agressive...)

    If this department chooses to make it a policy, good for them. Policy good, legislation bad.

    Diesle
     
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    Ahhhhhh....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! Knob.


    Diesle
     
  9. TallPine

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    What about cars ...?

    The words "children" and "cars" should never be used in the same sentence .... blah, blah, blah

    Although the damage has clearly been done, I hope that as a society, we can finally learn from this. How many children have to die? How many families have to suffer with this great loss of a loved one until we finally get a clue? Cars are dangerous -- period.
     
  10. rock jock

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    Diesel, you're not silly. Safes are an excellent idea. Common sense dictates that in a household with kids guns should be secured any time they are not under the direct supervision of a responsible adult. If this department wants to buy quick-access safes for their offcers, I think it's a great idea. I use one myself at home and can access my gun in only a few seconds more than leaving it in a bedstand. And, I have much peace of mind that my son can't get to it.
     
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    I'm so sorry to hear of the loss. :(

    I agree with gun safes to secure the weapons, but that is my personal opinion and practice.
    I wouldn't want my arrrogance to result in the death of anyone, because I don't have my weapons secured.
     
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    I agree completely. However, passing laws requiring gun safes is not going to change anything. In the state of Florida, it is already illegal to leave a firearm somewhere where a child gets it and harms himself or someone else.

    One more law isn't going to stop carelessness by some gun owners.
     
  13. Standing Wolf

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    Leftists think laws solve problems and undo damage. In this, as in so much else, they're rock-solid wrong.
     
  14. 4v50 Gary

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    I think it's a matter of time before Depts in CA follow suit (because of our own laws regarding kiddies & guns.
     
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    I completely agree, we don't need any more damn laws.
    Heck, we don't even enforce the ones we have.:banghead:
     
  16. Nathaniel Firethorn

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    Safes?

    Why stop there? Why not throw some magic "smart" gun technology at the problem?

    We really can build guns that will only shoot bad people. Really and truly.

    - pdmoderator
     
  17. cratz2

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    I disagree... this is one instance where I think there should be a .25% federal tax hike and anyone that owns five or less guns gets a Stack-On cabinet and anyone that owns more than five guns gets a nice Browning Gold 48 gun safe.

    :p
     
  18. Atticus

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    "The Oregonian reported that on Jan. 13, Emilee Randall was accidentally shot in the head by her 13-year-old brother Matthew with his father's gun while their parents were out of the home. The gun was located in the master bedroom, unattended, on a high shelf .

    To make matters worse, Matthew was already on probation for unlawfully possessing a firearm in 2001. He broke probation by possessing this firearm and is currently serving his full 30-year sentence. "



    Huh.......? A thirteen year old is serving a 30 year sentence because he violated probation set when he was eleven?
     

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