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Our brothers over at DU...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Kinsman, Dec 1, 2004.

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  1. Kinsman

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    If this has already been posted, forgive me....and delete this.
    Or, move to the appropriate forum:

    An interesting thread over at democratic underground.

    This is a long, emotional thread (as you might guess) and it's easy to see that of course most of 'em don't want us to have guns for protection; a few don't want us to have any guns at all, and some are actually staunch supporters of RKBA.

    I peruse DU all the time, and learn lots: for instance, I was never aware that because I like guns, I am a bigoted, uneducated fool....
     
  2. RavenVT100

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    Interesting.

    Although I'm afraid I had to stop reading their thread right after they started claiming that the NRA is just a "step above" the KKK. If these people would like to advocate more and more legislation based on their hollywood, TV, and video game view of the world it is their right to do so, but I will spare myself having to listen to their whining.
     
  3. Standing Wolf

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    Oh, my goodness! Other people's civil rights sure do hurt those individuals' feelings!
     
  4. spacemanspiff

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    i can't read too much over there, get headaches from all the assinine arguments. that mr benchley is a real piece of work.

    what would freud say about a person whose first response to a topic of weapons is something about masturbation?
     
  5. Preacherman

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    Just don't get them started on pump-action shotguns...

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  6. MikeB

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    Well Freud did say "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    I would say that fits nicely with the masturbation comment.
     
  7. Mulliga

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    Those fools at DU aren't my brothers... ;)
     
  8. BryanP

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    Why do I do this to myself? Every once in a while someone posts a link to a DU thread and I decide to go read it. Then my whole evening is ruined. I think I'll go watch an episode of Band of Brothers to cleanse my palate.
     
  9. PinnedAndRecessed

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    "Our brothers over at DU... "

    They might be your brothers, but they ain't mine. They are a bunch of mean spirited, foul mouthed semi-literate fascists who aren't concerned about anyone's rights but their own. They are a lost cause.

    I read three posts before I decided I don't want to waste one more second with their drivel.
     
  10. SDC

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    I once registered at DU just to try to counteract some of the mind-numbing ignorance they spew on firearms, and I lasted for all of 2 days before they banned me; if you don't buy into the "guns are evil and gun owners are inbred psychotics" party line, you're not welcome there.
     
  11. ProactiveReactionary

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    who cares?

    seriously, their views and ideas are extreme, VERY extreme and wont get very far, all they've really managed to do was temporarily have some weapons banned because of their appearance. banning guns entirely isnt going to happen and neither is a rewrite of the second amendment.

    i read a few posts in that thread and simply had to close the tab, these people are knee jerk reactors. thats not isolated to liberals but what IS scary as hell is their attitude or mindset that THEY should set the standard for everyone else on what a person can and cannot do and base this on some unfounded idea that what they think is best IS best and everyone else who disagrees with them or has a differen view is wrong, ignorant, paranoid right wing extremist kook. i think such attitudes clearly put THEM on the far end of the liberal side of politics. in this respect they might actually be worse than hillary clinton but i cant say for sure.

    these people IMO represent the most extreme views in liberalism today. i dont believe THESE views reflect liberal views in general (although it could, i'm giving all this a benefit of the doubt). i DO think that these people give democrats a bad name and IMO insult democrats and left leaning people who ARE in favor of guns and are pro gun in some way shape or form. i also find it insulting to pro gun democrats that they are basically being generalized as right wing kooks who are racist paranoid with a small penis/sexual dysfunction problem. or worse they are viewed by these psychos as betrayors to their party and its "bottom line" on guns or rather how they see it.

    i have no interest in trying to change someones mind who is against guns. its their right to be against them, its a free world and they can believe whatever they want. however i DO have a problem when anyone, regardless of their view, A) spews it off as THE way to live or be AND B) tries to make others conform to their own private standard (and thats what it is, a proivate standard). this applies to pro gun and anti gun, pro vegetarianism/veganism and omnivore. i do generaly find its anti (fill in the blank) that does this more often than not. i dont see any pro gun people running around trying to make people own guns, i DO see anti gun freaks running around trying to tell everyone how bad they are for hunting for deer or for simply owning A firearm and basically being told/insulted they shouldnt be allowed to have a firearm.

    for a bunch of liberal people they sure are restrictive when it comes to personal freedoms in this world. what gives? shouldnt WE be called true liberals since most of us believe in perosnal freedoms and letting people think and act for themselves?

    let me show you why i say this:

    do they seem open minded? do they seem to be advocating individual rights?

    they might be called liberals but they are more or less fascist in mentality than they are liberal.


    they certainly seem to fit into definition number two at least in part.

    their way of thinking at least based on the definitions above, is not american but totalitarian/fascist. they believe THEY should outline what freedoms a person should have rather than recognizing the rights/freedoms we are inherently born with.

    these people are psychotic, i know they're just a bunch of extremists with extremist views and are not indicative of liberals in general or democrats but they certainly arent doing their side any favors with threads like this over there.
     
  12. Coronach

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    An Aside:

    Unlike THR, which will allow reasoned debate on issues as long as the posters remain civil and are not simply trolling (starting volatile threads and then just sitting back to watch the fireworks), DU is a self-professed echochamber for the left. It is a board by leftists for leftists. They don't want debate, they will ban people who don't think like they do. Frankly? This is their right. If I want to start a smug little club of like-minded people and ban everyone else, I can do so. So can they.

    MOST of us gave that up at the end of summer between fifth and sixth grades, but not EVERYONE has.

    Mike
     
  13. rick_reno

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    Why waste your time perusing crap at DU? I can scratch my privates and have a more rewarding experience than going there.
     
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    Every so often, I follow a link in a thread like this and I always feel the same way after 3 posts. I hereby vow that I will never again waste my time on the Democtratic Underground Message Board, or DUMB for short.

    Mac
     
  15. ProactiveReactionary

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    absolutely right.

    i find it ironic that they ban anyone who isnt some left wing extremist yet if you ask any of these people, they'll more than likely tell you a private golf course shouldnt be allowed to restrict membership.

    you know, equal rights and all, but not parity when it comes to political views.

    i personally dont care, it is their right to restrict whoever they want but it DOES lend an insight into their way of thinking. its scary to me, down right frightening to know that there are people like this in my country.

    i've never been there but does freerepublic have a similar policy or do they only ban the trolls?
     
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    That one dude over there that spews the same silly invective over and over has some seriopus psychological issues,,,,,either that or he is a 15 year old troll

    WildslaveAlaska
     
  17. Mulliga

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    Just compare the DUMB and THR...

    On THR, we often have lengthy threads on gun issues, always with lots of evidence concerning court cases/rulings, statistics, and various laws. The debates are heated, but most of the time, useful.

    On the DUMB, people like MrBenchley basically say the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect anything, all NRA members are KKK-loving bigots, and guns are used to kill little children all the time (and I'm not exaggerating, as anyone who looks over the thread can verify :p ). And all without any shred of evidence.

    They question why anyone would need a handgun or semiauto rifle. The simple, sweet answer - "to defend themselves" - never comes up; after all, who needs to defend themselves? The government can do it. To me, that's scary.

    Another says "no one should have an Uzi." Obviously, that person knows ZERO about the gun laws we already have in this country, and are basically arguing about something they know zilch about. To me, that's very scary.

    One guy in that thread says he could "never shoot" anyone who broke into his house. To me, that's really scary. :(
     
  18. Bruce H

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    Well according to the poll 48% thing gun control is a real loser. They are also starting to recognize that Feinstein, Boxer, and Shumer really aren't doing them any favors. Remember folks, KNOW YOUR OPPOSITION. Narrow mindedness will get you beat just as easily as falling for anything out there. Nothing happens overnight but it they start talking to their own politicians along with us maybe we can jointly accomplish something.
     
  19. OpenRoad

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    I noticed Benchley sorta got owned at the bottom of the thread....
     
  20. El Rojo

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    I am sort of amazed by these hard core Democrats. They just don't seem to live in reality. They are so bent out of shape about losing the election, but they don't want to analyze why they lost, they just want to bitch and complain about how everyone that doesn't agree with them are morons and then they continue to try and ram the square peg through the round hole. In a way, I hope they continue this strategy. We might be able to keep benefiting from it.

    Part of it scares be though because there doesn't seem to be any real knowledge or thought in their positions. There really is no reasoning with them. They are the way they are and that is that. I at least have reasons for why I am the way I am. In a way it is all so depressing because when are things ever going to change? It all makes a big ole revolution seem peversly preferable.
     
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    I read some of that thread. There ARE people on there who have really good insight into gun owners, and they are trying to pound common sense into the heads of people like that worthless asswipe MrBenchy.

    As an example I give you this:

    This dude may not like guns, but he sure understands gun owners.

    Or this, he sure hit the nail on the head for me. Since I own guns and don't give a damn about going hunting (not that I'm against hunting)...

     
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    I thought this might be something important about DUCKS UNLIMITED!
     
  23. ProactiveReactionary

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    someone on the left who gets it, gun control is not a popular topic and not one most gun owners are willing to by any means.

    yes by all means DROP the issue entirely, you simply arent going to win it.

    they definitely need new platforms for their party, gay marriage (nothing wrong with it but if citizens say no, then they say no to it), abortion and gun control are HOT topic issues that are best left alone rather than handled in the way they deal with them. sorry, ramming anything down people's throats doesnt work, never has, never will.

    i think their approach more than their issues should be reevaluated. telling the average person YOU know whats best for them and if you dont vote for them or the person they support then they're an idiot is a guaranteed method of psuhing them farther away from your side. but again, they dont seem like liberals and seem more like fascists wanting to play big brother for you because they feel they know whats best for you, as though you arent really an adult or somehow you shouldnt be allowed to make your own decisions.
     
  24. Sindawe

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    DU does serves as a gathering point of breaking news and the like, simply due to the number of members and the post churn that goes on there. I've found the Science forum to be 'specially useful in that context. I will admit though, DU IS sorta like an grisly auto accident or the old time Freak shows, its sorta compelling to observe. And the members reactions to the recent was some GREAT comedy! :D

    So he's back eh? I had not seen his posts in awhile, figured that somebody had fogotten to re-run his very small shell script.
     
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    That would be MrBenchly, I would venture to guess. He's a real work of art.
     
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