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Our own worst enemy?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Coyote3855, Feb 23, 2013.

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  1. Coyote3855

    Coyote3855 Member

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    Nuge-a-mania spreads to our detriment frequently.

    My sympathies for your loss.....
     
  3. OptimusPrime

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    Agents provocateur? :scrutiny:
     
  4. HOOfan_1

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    Odd, that that same type of behavior by the antis actually seems to make legislators listen though.....

    Calling the NRA a hate organization, saying that legislators are in the NRA's pocket...etc. etc.
     
  5. mnhntr

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    Sounds like this guy is a coward to me. He should have commended the group for calling out the left wing loons.
     
  6. yokel

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    We all know that the treachery, deception, and brazen insouciance of the gun control & confiscation clique knows no bounds, so it's understandable that some well-meaning patriots have been made tired, sated, or disgusted beyond endurance.
     
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  7. Furncliff

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    Yea try puffery that might work.
     
  8. Spymaster

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    Exactly! The bums who submarined the bill should pay with their careers. For God's sake, we have editors of large newspapers calling for the murder of anyone who opposes gun confiscation, and in WY repubs are shelving pro-gun bills due to harsh language?

    There is not a republican anywhere that I will ever vote for again.
     
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    Or we could just call a spade a spade and admit that our side has some serious wingnuts among its ranks, too (and our wingnuts, given they define themselves partly by access to weapons, might be more frightening to the social herd at large).

    That said I suspect that advocacy for these bills by wingnuts had less to do with their dying in committee than the much more troubling implications of letting a nullification bill go to vote where it was likely to pass. This is the stuff civil wars are made of, and I can understand even a Republican in a pro-gun state, worrying about throwing that into the mix.
     
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    ^^^This!
     
  11. bogon48

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    +1 on Horsesoldier's comments.

    I support the NRA because they have a national voice that is actually heard by some legislators.

    I also try to listen carefully to antigun people. I am friends with a couple of them. What I often hear is an undercurrent of fear that feeds their extreme views. It's not based on direct knowledge or reason. I remain calm, logical and offer solid facts. If they don't want to listen or try shooting or inspect a firearm...that's O.K. I'll ask again some day. Attitudes aren't changed by yelling or insults. In the end, our cause is best served by patience and the persistent presentation of our arguments. Crazy rhetoric isn't helpful.
     
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    I don't trust a word out of the mouth of a politician or news organization.
     
  13. yokel

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    It is dispiriting see some folks overly concerned about offending/wounding the sensibilities of those who would condone the criminal prosecution of upstanding gun owners simply for exercising their natural right to self-defense with the firearm and magazine size of their choice.

    We must challenge ourselves and each other to think and act as if these delusional extremists have put our Liberty -our very lives- in peril.

    The time for apathy and appeasement must end and the time for serious change must start.
     
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    Why not? Pretty effective.


    Spymaster: ... For God's sake, we have editors of large newspapers calling for the murder of anyone who opposes gun confiscation, and in WY repubs are shelving pro-gun bills due to harsh language?

    Could we have a cite for this comment?
     
  15. Kayaker 1960

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    Wing Nuts

    I agree with a few of the other posters here that we gun owners are best served by reasonable conversation on gun issues, I'm not saying give in, I'm saying that chest thumping and posting pictures of yourself trying to look like Rambo is scary to the non-gun owning crowd and even moderate gun owners. Hell, some of you scare me!
    How about we try to show people that we are not a bunch of nut jobs itching to shoot somebody? "From my cold dead hands" sounds reasonable to us but it scares the hell out of some folks. Stick to the facts. I have a lot of freinds who don't own guns, I've talked about it with them and many have told me that they feel fine with me owning a gun, and they know that I have one anytime we are on an overnight trip (whitewater kayaking, that is a lot of trips) they are worried about the nut jobs as much as the criminals. Don't be a nut job!
     
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    I don't believe for one second that he let the deadline lapse because of profane phone calls. They get profane activism on every issue every day. This is a guy who WANTED to let it fail, and he just got an easy excuse.
     
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    We aren't going to be able to weed out all the nut jobs....ther are 80 million gun owners. The antis have plenty of nut jobs on their side. I have never heard any legislators say they won't even consider a bill because the anti crowd was being too annoying....

    Seems to me legislators have an obligation to not let that type of behavior influence legislation....it isn't fair to those of us who can act like a civil human being. Sorry, but this whole affair sounds like a big excuse not to have to debate these bills. I don't doubt that whether there were threats or not, that these bills would have never made it to the floor.

    After the entire Hans Hunt incident, and now this....I am not sure the Wyoming legislators are exactly acting as they should....
     
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    It's not difficult to toss on the correct attire and intentionally act like a bufoon.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^
    I agree 100%. The guy was just looking for an excuse, any excuse.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Smell test failed. The idea that he would let a bill fail as punishment to a small group of screamers is beyond the pail of Bull Crap.
     
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    This^^^^^^^^
     
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    Remember, all political prostitutes are owned by special interest groups. This guy was just doing what his owners told him to do.
     
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    We don't win the fight on the 2nd Amendment by declaring it a natural right, discussion over, and going home. The 94 AWB and assorted other negative pieces of gun legislation should demonstrate that beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt to everyone even remotely interested in preserving the 2A (because you can be certain that those interesting in eradicating the 2A have).

    We win this fight by out marketing or out psy-op'ing the other guy -- and we don't do that by scaring, bullying, or intimidating the sheeple into submission, either intentionally or unintentionally. Guns scare the gun-naive in the middle who could break for us or against us. Ratcheting up their fear pushes them into the anti-camp. Co-opting them and bringing them into our camp requires more sophisticated and restrained strategies. Personally, I'd trade a couple stadiums full of Ted Nugent clones and gun owning good ole boys (who I might really enjoy socializing with, but that's besides the point) for the three and a half minutes this lady brings to the gun debate if my interest is in winning this fight rather than going down in defeat while warmed by my moral righteousness.
     
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    Well, isn't "sheeple" considered patronising, derogatory speech and indicates an arrogant attitude and bearing with an underling with barely concealed contempt?

    Please don't try to lecture me about the gentle art of persuasion, as I happen to have the personal charisma of a cactus.
     
  25. Kayaker 1960

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    Sheeple

    One of my best freinds is from New York, His lovely wife is from New Jersey. Both of them are jewish. Niether of them grew up with a gun in the house. They were not exposed to guns at all except for what they saw on T.V. and movies.
    Now they live in N. California. Not exactly the wild west but more so than New York. I have had a few discussions with them about guns, my views on gun control and my view that I have not only a right but a responsibility to protect my family from harm if possible. We have been together when the presence of a gun, even though it was never unholstered likely saved us all from at least a strong arm robbery.
    I've offered to take them shooting any time they like, just ask and I've extended the offer more than once, but not enough to be pushy.
    I don't think of my freinds as "Sheeple" they grew up different than I did, that's all. They are intellegent and educated and they can think for themselves. Fortunately they have me and and few other freinds to show them that many if not most gun owners are reasonable, responsible and safe.
    Every time someone shoots a road sign or leaves shot up beer cans in the forest or in any way makes people have a negative attutude toward gun owners it hurts all of us. We should all try to be a good example of what and who gun owners are.
     
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