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"Out of the Wild: The Alaska Experiment" - Guns?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by ReadyontheRight, Jun 7, 2009.

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  1. ReadyontheRight

    ReadyontheRight Member

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    I made the mistake of getting caught up in a Discovery Channel marathon of "Out of the Wild: The Alaska Experiment" where some city-slickers get dropped off in Alaska and hike between rustic shelters for an indefinite number of days.

    After 27 days and 45 miles, they just decided to leave their "Bear Gun" - a scoped ".45 caliber" Ruger Single Shot (I am assuming a 45/70) behind in a cabin. :scrutiny: Because it's "not good for birds".

    They have a Remington (Spartan?) .410/.22 "bird gun" they are keeping.

    Aside from the fact that the team of 5 (down from 9 - 4 quit) seems to sit around whining about being hungry - instead if hunting, fishing or trapping ... and aside from the fact that when they do go out, they always stop after catching one fish, shooting one bird, etc. They tried trapping once, but gave up after it did not work. It's an interesting show. Apparently one of the few survival shows that actually uses worthwhile tools (guns).

    My question: Which guns would you bring along on such a trip in the middle of nowhere in Alaska?

    My choices:

    -Youth-sized H&R single-shot .22/20ga combo - switch barrels as needed and split up the wieght.
    -.22 pistol on the hip
    -30/30 Winchester 94 carbine

    P.S. I suppose the show would be boring if they just shot a moose and had enough food for the whole trip. But I think that would be my plan.
     
  2. MCgunner

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    Yep, a rifle, .308, Remington M7 stainless probably out of MY collection. I'd tote a contender pistol with my .45 colt/.410 barrel on it, my always gun.

    I haven't watched it. I'm sure, though, that all the sitting around, complaining, woopie when they catch one fish, is hollywood. Be kinda boring to the general public if it was all hunting and fishing all day and they designated the worst outdoorsman to clean and cook the catch, or at least keep the camp straight and do the cooking if not the cleaning.

    Me, I'd send several out to hunt small game while I went after whatever something BIG I came across with the .308. Hopefully, it'd be a moose or black bear or something of that size. I'd build a smoke house of timber and jerk a big part of the meat. In fact, I might designate a couple of people for camp chores so that the smoke house could get built. Not sure what I'd do for seasoning, but if it's near a sea shore, salt from the filtered, evaporated water would help.

    I know fish traps, majored in the subject and how to illegally catch fish (for sampling purposes, you understand :D); but, it's big game that would feed the crowd with the least effort.

    I've tried to watch that show, but I just couldn't get into it.
     
  3. geologist

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    Marlin 1895GS 45-70. I shoot 2.5" .410 shells out of mine.

    I never watch reality TV, it rots your mind and makes you into a metrosexual.
     
  4. ReadyontheRight

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    geologist - I agree with the sentiment against reality TV. I got sucked in because I liked the insight into the Alaska topography. And they had guns and used them (although poorly). Now I feel this urge to go get a pedicure. :)

    Wow. I did not know that you could shoot a .410 out of a 45/70. I knew about the TC/Contender .45/410. I like the little carbine they make. An 1895 is one of my "someday" guns.

    MCgunner -- I've lived life too close to a freezer. Knowing how to build & use a smoke house is one thing I should learn. Great point.
     
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    I got caught up 2 episodes ago when the real whining began. To be fair, they are complete non-woodsmen(women), and are being forced to march roughly 20 miles every 2 or 3 days with very little nourishment (their own doing, for not killing enough large game).

    However, the episode where they moved on to the next shelter and left the "bear gun" behind, told me that after many days in the wilderness they learned absolutely nothing. Chances are just 100yds from the shelter they left, 20-30 elk appeared, 4 bear, and a frozen mastodon.

    And they went hungrier...
     
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    Be kinda boring to the general public if it was all hunting and fishing all day

    This is dead on. If a couple of us went up there and shot a couple of caribou or elk or whatever other big game was up there then sat about eating it and chatting it would make rubbish TV.

    Thats why they send people with no idea.
     
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    Sorry, post deleted.
     
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    It's an entertaining show, I love how they eat porcupine lol.

    I'd probably have a .22 pistol and an /06 in their situation, but their .410 seems to work well enough...
     
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    :D Yeah, I've avoided fanny packs, too. :D
     
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    Wow, wish I had that channel; sounds interesting - so they have an exemption from the state to hunt any game they like out of season, with no licenses, or what? :scrutiny: If they don't, then they were wise to leave the .45-70 behind for weight savings. If they do, and they're hungry, then they're indeed pretty ummm, "challenged".

    What's the incentive/prize for sticking it out?

    This is what "Survivor" should have been - quit giving them rice to eat, and give them some hunting weapons. Can't hack it, then go home (or die of starvation / exposure).
     
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    That's the best part! No prize.

    Do it and be happy with themselves or give up and go home.
     
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    The Africa series they're starting on now is even better.Or worse,if you happen to be the people IN the experiment...
     
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    I'm waiting for an Alaskan Fish & Game guy to show up and arrest them all for hunting without a hunting license or required permits.

    Yea! That will be a good show!

    rc
     
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    Heh, I was wondering about that issue.

    I wonder if they actually got everything out of the way in terms of paper work?
     
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    That Africa show seems somewhat interesting. I watched a little bit, but I stopped when I realized that they are not carrying guns in the wilds of Africa.

    Leave it to TV to give every imaginary bad guy and wacko a gun but keep useful tools out of the hands of real people who could actually use them to survive.
     
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    I would bring this one:

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    It's a Win big bore chambered in .450 Marlin with a choke that screws into the barrel for use with shotshells. It won't chamber .410's, but the shells are similar in power level. And the patterns are fine. It also shoots roundballs over Unique in 1/2" groups at 25 yards.

    I lived through my own Alaska Experiment and one of the lessons I learned was less is more, and hauling multiple firearms around is a royal PINA.
     
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    Unless...heh...they were to really run into a bear. Now that would be entertainment. :D
     
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    I rather imagine the camera crew had plenty of bear protection along just off camera.

    Wouldn't do to let one of the stars get et by a bar, now would it!

    See, that's the whole problem I have with every one of those action/adventure TV shows.

    The actor is dieing trying to climb a mountain.
    But the camera crew is already up there filming him about to die.

    And not a whimper out of any of them.
    Heck, they had to pack all those heavy cameras up there ahead of him.

    rc
     
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    I was flippin' channels and came on that African thing. They're standing by a river and bitchin' cause no one had any water. What, you can't BOIL river water? :rolleyes: When I hike, I carry water purification tablets, but I think in Africa, I would wanna boil it. What does it take to build a fire and boil some water? They spent more energy standing around bitchin' they didn't have any water. I flipped it on to find something else. :rolleyes:
     
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    As a full time arctic hunter here in Northwest Alaska, I would carry a .22 for everything. You can carry lots of shells. Make noise while walking, keep a clean camp, piss around it for a Bearless night and go along the ridges where the brush is not.

    If I had what they did, Id cut down some .410 shells for the 45/70 to use, and hunt with a partner and both guns, get up lots of grub and get the walk over in three days....
    .22lr , .410, and 45/70 covers it all.
     
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    This will take anything a .44 mag will take to 100 yards. It isn't tack driving typical 1 moa contender accurate considering freebore, but it'll shoot 7 moa which will get you into a moose's lungs at 100 yards. Hopefully, you can get closer. The removable full choke is in front of the muzzle. With it installed, squirrel, rabbit, even birds on the wing are viable targets to 25 yards. If you hunt with a handgun and practice a lot like I do, and maybe have a bipod along on your trip, it can be a very viable survival food getter. Anything you could take with a .22, you could take with this. Yeah, the shells are a little bigger and heavier, but the gun fits in an uncle mike's shoulder rig and is light and handy. You can have it on you 24/7 in the wilds. In case you really ARE attacked by a bear, you probably won't get, but one try anyway. :D

    For me, it's a fun gun. But, I've often thought it'd be an almost ideal survival system. Put a rifle stock on it if you have problems shooting a handgun. Yeah, illegal, but hell, if you're out there shooting moose and such out of season anyway.........:what::neener:

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    I saw a couple and they actually follow game laws. Thats why in one episode they had to try to snare a beaver Rather then shoot it.
     
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    If I were hiking in Alaska for this, I'd ditch the 45/70 as well, and I'd rather have a .22

    Killing large game there would be a waste due to the size of it, and the fact that you couldn't haul it and necessary gear at the same time. Killing small game is the name of this game, some days you'll be hungry, others just fine.

    Its best to just use bear country practices when camping (which almost no one does due to laziness), anyways, odds of killing a charging grizzly are pretty slim with a 45/70, bear mace would be much better.
     
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    You know, I had the thing set to record every show( the DVR) and it didn't record the last show! WTHECK!?


    Does anyone know if they cancelled it before it finished? Did my DVR just play a dirty trick on me? Did they make it out or have to call the chopper? Did the whiney girl with dark hair make it? ( At one point, I was hoping she'd leave just so I got a break from her whiiiineneeeeeeeeing - I can't imagine how they others felt actually being there!)


    And I thought the same thing - they caught one fish, and then stopped and went back to camp and cleaned it and ate it. Hello? The one river they were camped by was FULL OF FISH?! And they had modern fishing gear and actually had several hook ups before catching one. KEEP FISHING, idiots....

    of course, these guys probably spent most of their time being "freaked out" by the "woods."

    Still, it was a show I was wanting to finish.

    Also about the "bear gun" - I was freaking out when that happened - I thought my wife was going to leave the room, because I was yelling at them about being idiots and that it was worth it's weight twice over, compared to some of the other stuff they took along!

    anyway, anyone know if the last show aired? thanks.

    i've had too much mtn. dew tonight and I am a bit W~i~R~e~d. :)
     
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    On a TV show, perhaps. But, if it's truly survival, bear and wolf need to eat, too, ya know. If it's truly survival, jerked meat don't weigh you down that much. Kill something BIG, eat all you can at camp, jerk what you can carry, and let the bears and wolves have the rest. Forget your ethics when it's survival. Deal is, if there's NINE people in camp to feed, you can go out and waste a week killing rabbits or kill one BIG animal, have everyone pitch in to clean him, build a smoke house, and jerk the meat while some one cooks up back strap and a few round steaks for the night's supper. Once the meat is jerked, you don't need to hunt and can put on several back packing days without worry for food.

    See, this is why they couldn't be very realistic and why I didn't watch any of it, well, that and the WHINNNEEEEY city duffuses that didn't have a clue. ROFL!

    I kinda like the Bear Grylles, Les Stroud type shows. They KNOW they can't ethically kill something, they'll tell you that if they were truly in that situation, they would, but such and such a snake is protected, or whatever, so they won't kill it for TV. It's more an educational thing than it is a reality TV thing. I prefer that to reality TV, personally.

    Anyone see Man vs Wild the other night when he had Will Ferrell with him? I got interrupted, but what I saw of it was pretty funny, LOL.
     
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