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Outtakes show al-Zarqawi as poor gunman

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  1. AndyC

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    BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is seen as a less-than-accomplished gunman on a "complete" version of last week's Web video, according to a U.S. military commander.

    Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch on Thursday showed excerpts of the full video, found in a raid in Yusufiya south of Baghdad, that depict al-Zarqawi, leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, and his aides appearing all-thumbs with firearms.

    In the version posted on the Web, al-Zarqawi spoke directly to viewers, mocking the United States and the Iraqi government and exhorting his supporters to fight the U.S.-led operation.

    The video also showed the militant, dressed in black fighter's garb, standing in an open field and firing a machine gun. ( Watch the video of al-Zarqawi released last week -- 2:57)

    Lynch showed parts of the "complete video" that pictured the militant leader and what he called "supposedly competent" aides after al-Zarqawi was seen firing the machine gun.

    Al-Zarqawi is seen walking toward a white pickup truck in "New Balance tennis shoes" with associates around him, called "his trusted advisers" by Lynch.

    They "do things like grab the hot barrel of a machine gun and burn themselves," Lynch said, narrating the video to reporters.

    In another portion, Lynch said, "Here's Zarqawi, the ultimate warrior, trying to shoot his machine gun.

    "It's supposed to be automatic fire. He's shooting single shots one at a time. Something's wrong with his machine gun. He looks down, can't figure it out. He calls his friend to unblock the stoppage and get the weapon firing again."

    CNN reviewed the tapes later.

    After the shooting scene, al-Zarqawi heads toward a white truck and hands his gun to someone else, suggesting that the video might have been staged strictly for the camera.

    At one point after the shooting scene, al-Zarqawi looks straight at the camera and says something, but the audio is muted.

    At least one masked man behind him appears to be cheering him on.

    Lynch said that what was seen on the Web last week was what al-Zarqawi "wanted the world to see."

    "Look at me," he said al-Zarqawi was trying to impart, "I'm a capable leader of a capable organization and we are indeed declaring war against democracy in Iraq and we're going to establish an Islamic caliphate."

    "What he didn't show you were the clips that I showed you," he said, adding, "it makes you wonder."

    Lynch was asked how al-Zarqawi can be a "terror mastermind" if he can't handle a firearm.

    "You'll probably need to defer that question to his followers," Lynch said, noting that they have allowed him to be established as a leader.

    Lynch said the images he showed indicate that al-Zarqawi "tends to have a problem" with mastering his own weapons system and with finding capable and competent aides.

    "Why he's their leader, I don't know."

    When asked about the al-Zarqawi video, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said he hadn't seen the clips, but said the terrorist leader was "trying to engage in desperate attempts to derail the transition to democracy in Iraq.

    "Here's another al Qaeda leader that is under a lot of pressure," McClellan said. "Zarqawi and his terrorist allies were dealt a real blow in Iraq by the formation of a unity government that represents all of Iraq's communities.

    "Now we know that they're determined and they want to continue to carry out attacks and that's why we're partnering with Iraqi security forces ... and we will continue to do so."

    Source: CNN
     
  2. hso

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    I doubt that firearms handling skills are as important as bomb building, logistics, finance, OpSec, planning and the infinite list of skills needed to run a terrorist operation.

    Trying to make fun of this guys personal weapons handling skill is as stupid as being critical of Patton's singing.
     
  3. Phantom Warrior

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    I was thinking the same thing as hso...
     
  4. AndyC

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    Whoops, I didn't see the story has already been posted earlier by Camp David. Mods, please merge this with the "Terrorist a Bad Shot!" thread - thanks muchly.
     
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    Hey, it's not like he shot his friend in the face or something.
     
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    Like these are the people who recruit homicide bombers.
    Stop and think about that for a moment,,,,,,
     
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    Outtakes

    Our military people released this to show Zarqawi is not all perfect in military ways,something the people in Mid-East countries expect of their leaders. A bumbling Zarqawi and his advisers might mess with the minds of those who wish to do his bidding. At least our people are hoping so,I'm thinking; What I'd like to know is, has Al-Jezerra played this?
     
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    He doesn't need to fire guns.
    His pawns do it for him.
    But they don't do it well either, most of the time...
     
  10. LooseGrouper

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    Is it just me, or was that CNN anchor doing his best to make excuses for Zarqawi (i.e. "it's an american weapon with a hard trigger that is difficult to fire unless you've had training")?

    Anyone with SAW experience care to chime in on the difficulty of using it relative to other military small arms?
     
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    He does appear intimidated by the firing of the SAW.

    I do like the way he sweeps his cohort's head with the gun, as well as the pickup and whoever else is standing off-camera.
     
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    LOL.... Even this guy is better than "super soldier" Zarqawi:
    http://media.putfile.com/IPSC-Jihad

    As for the SAW, it is pretty funny how intemidated he looks considering it is only a 17LB belt fed 5.56x45. When I was in the Army I had to use a SAW just often enough to stay familiar with it. I prefered the M60 a whole lot more than the SAW. With the way Zarqawi looked firing the SAW I could only imagine him standing on his feet firing the M60. :D
     
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    Oh for a well-timed ND, yes? :p

    That said.. I can't help but think about how they likely got the SAW and M4 :mad: :(
     
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    We can only hope they're black market knock-offs.
     
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    I was never exposed to the SAW before I went to Iraq and spent some time as a rear-gunner, so I had no prior military training with it. Apart from being heavier than I expected, it's a very controllable weapon - quite easy to tap off single shots or double-taps.

    As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't have to be a good triggerman - he has the brains and he's successfully evaded Coalition Forces for too long.
     
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    Doesn't look like Ol'Zarquawi has missed many meals.
     
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    I think they are hoping this video might keep a few of those peons from joining up with him.

    I would love to fire a SAW. I would probably look awkward as well, but I would have a huge smile plastered on my face.
     
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    hso, Phantom Warrior, I agree that at the end of the day it's basically irrelevant, but it is funny and maybe a little revealing in view of how terrorist leaders love to pose with firearms. And he does totally and wantonly sweep Mr. Mask Face, who, to his credit, doesn't appear to flinch despite his commander's accident-waiting-to-happen gunhandling skills.
     
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    Zarqawi doesn't need firearms skills.

    Remember, he prefers his victims on their knees, in orange jumpsuits, with their hands bound behind their backs.

    His preferred weapon is a big knife......of have we already forgotten all his beheading videos?

    hillbilly
     
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    Since when is a SAW a "very heavy machine gun?" I thought it was a light machine gun, expressly for the purpose of having a man-portable, shoulder-mounted automatic weapon for rifle teams. (Also, it's arguably not an American weapon, being that it's operating principles and design are based directly on the FN Minimi, a weapon of Belgian origin - although the M249 is made in the U.S.).

    Just the press getting their facts mixed up again, I guess. Either way, that video is funny, even if it's mostly inconsequential to anyone's cause.

    As for muzzling his cohorts, that's part of the culture, as I understand it (being an outsider, I admit to having no primary experience in this). From what I've read and heard, it's the Will of Allah if the trigger accidentally touches off a round into your buddies leg, arm, torso, or face. There's nothing you could have done, so you may as well be easy about things.
     
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    ....someone should compile a training video called "How not to Handle a Firearm"....Starring Zarqawi, the DEA Agent who shot himself, and a cast of other brilliant Einsteins.
     
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    goodness what a waste of a news story. as was mentioned the reporter is more of an embarassment than the terrorist. a 'very heavy machine gun' with a 'hard trigger'....boggles the mind. is it THAT hard to do even a smidgen of research? i guess so...just make s**t up instead.....very professional.

    and instead of going to bat for a terrorist because he might very well be unfamiliar with a foreign weapon, why didn't the 'journalist' criticise him for putting himself on tape with a weapon that he didn't take the time to BECOME familiar with beforehand? i hate the press. someday he will be burning in hell while being forced to watch and read his own news 'stories'.....over and over and over......and over.
     
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    default said "...how terrorist leaders love to pose with firearms..."


    Yeah that kinda makes me laugh too, but then again Pres Bush loved the camera when he landed on an aircraft carrier to celebrate the end of major conflict ;-) And what's an aircraft carrier but just about one of our biggest weapons.

    I think most leaders like to pose with the macho stuff.... their loyal followers probably like it too. "Look Ma! The guy we voted for/support looks strong today!!!!"

    IMO - it's not a terrorist thing... it's more like human nature, and not just the human nature of the leader/bad guy, but that of his followers too.
     
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    nplant, ya beat me to it. The SAW is not a "heavy machine gun." You could consider it to be "heavy," I suppose, as compared to most rifles, but even then "very heavy" is hyperbole.

    It's also not, strictly speaking, an American weapon, any more than an AK variant made in the US is an American weapon.

    AND, the trigger really isn't that heavy.

    The talking head also claims that "it might be quite understandable that anyone, even someone with weapons experience, [but who] isn't familiar with this particular weapon, might have trouble firing off more than a single shot." That's complete ********. Anyone who'd ever fired any belt-fed could pull the bolt back and try again, rather than calling an underling to pull the bolt back. Then it's only a matter or whether or not the weapon is clean.

    Making excuses is right.

    Zarqawi flinches the entire time the weapon is firing.
     
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    Might have been dirty, gas system gunked up. Just twist the ole' gas regulator to "wide open throttle" and let 'er rip.

    That's what happens when you give advanced Western tools to medievalists. They didn't invent 'em, didn't perfect 'em and can't maintain or use them to their full potential. Kalashnikov was their saving grace. :D
     
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