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P10c fatal flaw?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jjones45, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:43 AM.

  1. jjones45

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    Like I’ve stated elsewhere the Cz p10c has a lot of problems finally surfacing since higher numbers are in circulation, but this seems to be the most concerning. If you have one you might want to check this out as several people are now reporting this failure. I guess Cz was improving on perfection in only some areas of the gun. I’m standing by my original statement of waiting for the gen2 p10c. Omaha outdoors is brutally honest and I can appreciate that because just the other day they were advertising the p10c with the black MC finish for $849 and then made a video saying they can’t recommend the p10c until Cz addresses this issue. Omaha outdoors strikes again, who’s next?
     
  2. PabloJ

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    The one I examined was $499. I didn't like the long trigger pull, grip texture or quite frankly anything else about this gun. An easy pass for me.
     
  3. armoredman

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    They were selling the P-10C for $900? MSRP is $516...and I have seen them advertised for less.
    I have seen a few people talking about this malfunction, and this does look like a major problem.
     
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  4. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Wow. Would rather have a SIG P320, or Remington R51......and that's not saying much......
     
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    Switch the 1 and the 0 ,than drop the "c" ,striker issue solved!
     
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    I have a P-10C, which has performed perfectly with factory and reloads, if that tilts this the other way. Of course, just like the video guy, my review is a sample of one. However, I have read of some with this issue, and I hope it gets resolved soon. I would rather have a P-10C than an R-51, but that would be personal.
    Bones, absolutely nothing wrong with a P-01, that's for certain, carried one for years, would do again with no heartache!
    I am waiting for the night sights to come out to the FDE owners like myself before I start carrying full time, and, of course, watching to see if this gremlin comes to me. If this problem becomes bigger I certainly hope CZ addresses it ASAP!
     
  7. sequins

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    Can anyone describe the issue for those of us whom are video challenged?
     
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    Perfect example of why I do not buy a new designed firearm when they first hit the market , but I am glad we have pioneers that will .
     
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  10. sequins

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    Wow, that's a doozie of a malfunction.
     
  11. ClickClickD'oh

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    Squinty eyed disbelief... The striker shouldn't be able to rotate in it's channel. What's going on in that gun that it's striker assembly just rotates.

    This reminds me of the people that had problems early on with the back plate falling off because they detail stripped the guns and reassembled them incorrectly.
     
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    That's disappointing, to say the least. I picked one up a few weeks ago, and after about 400 trouble free rounds I've been carrying it regularly. I absolutely love this gun. I did call CZ this afternoon, and the rep I spoke with was unaware of the problem. He had a P10 with him, and as we were speaking we both were able to rotate the striker slightly, recreating the problem. His point to me, and I'm not sure it's valid, is that the striker comes out the same channel it goes into so there shouldn't be a problem, but he is looking into it. He also thought it should not occur when firing the weapon, as you're not pushing the striker to the side while firing it. I have other guns I can carry, so I'll place this one in my safe along side my P320s until I have a chance to get to the range the following weekend. I'll put several hundred rounds through it, and by then hope we have an answer from CZ. I'll make decisions then as far as whether to carry it. I did see the following on GlockTalk, so I'm hoping this is accurate and the issue was corrected by the time mine was built and it will not occur while firing:

    There has been two issues on a small percentage of P-10C pistols. The slide stop/ release spring coming out of place, which has been fixed on current production guns. And the slide end cover/ plate which if not assembled and snapped into place correctly from the factory, it can slide down in its slot and lock the pistol up. Make sure the slide end cover is pushed all the way up and locked in place, and you should have no problem with it. I have around 4000 rds through my P-10c with not the slightest problem.
     
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    Sample size of one from what I saw.

    Could have been an issue with his one pistol.
    I have heard of nobody else having this issue

    Edit to add that if CZ altered the striker plate it would fix the issue as well. Same mechanical concept as Glock as far as I understand.
     
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  14. ClickClickD'oh

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    So, I went and pulled my P-10C out of the safe and sure enough, the striker when pushed does rotate and lock in place. Then when I hit the slide release. the gun gives zero Fs and goes straight into battery even with the displaced striker. Overhand racking the slide also goes into battery with the striker pushed over.

    Then I watched the video again. 1:37. Hey buddy, don't ride that slide. Let it go.

    1:58. Once he stops riding the slide it goes into battery, but then he keeps pretending it didn't.

    2:16, yup, there's the lose back plate. So, how are we getting to the lose back plate. Yes, this can be replicated, but there is more going on than he suggests. Now, it's important to baby the slide forward so that the striker catches on the frame instead of being forced back into alignment. That is important because it is what causes the back plate to unlock. With the slide closed, but the striker forced to it's full possible extraction, the striker block is closed. If the striker is the freed,it will travel it's full distance and hit the striker block, compressing the whole striker assembly briefly forward on the spring, unlocking the back plate for a instant. If one is pushing down on it when that happens you can force it out of alignment enough the slide won't close.

    Two simple solutions: 1) Stake the cover plate or roughen and edge so it doesn't slide freely. -or- 2) Don't ride your slide
     
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    I much prefer striker fired pistols where that is not even a possibility. I have been reading of other reports of owners having the same problem as in the video. Omaha Outdoor also said in their blog that it is a problem that could pop up after a certain amount of wear on parts involved. Again that this is even possible is concerning to say the least.

    I am happy and plugging along with my Gen 2 Glock 19, six year old Walther PPQ, and HK VP9.
     
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    This is not a one off issue. It is not operator error. This is happening to enough people for it to be a know and discussed issued over on the CZ forum and other places. It is a defect and CZ will eventually have to address it.
     
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    Interesting. It would seem quite easily fixed as well as noticed by CZ before they released them en masse.
     
  18. WVsig

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    Yeah but beta testing by the public seems to be more and more common from lots of manufacturers these days.
     
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    I guess you missed the part where I exactly replicate the problem by examining the mechanic that allows it to happen, then told you how to fix it.

    Whatever. I just hit by back plate with a punch and I guarantee you the problem is solved.
     
  20. WVsig

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    Would be interesting to see how long your bubba fix lasts. In my mind the problem should not be happening at all and should not require you to do a thing but clearly YMMV.
     
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    I don't disagree, but given that today is the first I've heard of this, I don't want to rush to any judgements and want to hear what CZ's response or fix is.
     
  22. ClickClickD'oh

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    Yeah, god forbid you take the slide off you P-10C and confirm exactly what I've said. Also, Lol. Well, you could send it to CZ for them to install a cover plate with a rough edge if you wanted... How short the memory of the shooting community is. You know, CZ aren't the first people that had this issue.

    FYI: This doesn't happen if you take the striker block out, but I don't suggest doing that.
     
  23. jjones45

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    Yes this is a design flaw and nobody can tell me any different. The striker should not be able to rotate freely side to side to the point where it could cause a malfunction like this. I just examined a few of my other striker pistols and none have that kind of clearance for this to even be possible. I’m guessing Cz may have designed it like this to aid in reliability so debris and water and such could escape. The engineers out “thunk” themselves here lol. Good news is they should be able to fix this rather easily and the gen 2 that I plan on buying in the future won’t have this problem or the others that have been popping up
     
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    I agree with the P320, but you went too far with the R51. I’d really have a tough time deciding between a R51 and a slingshot, but a p10c is a no brainer over the Remington. I hope this is a perfect example of hyperbole you were using. The P320 is a fine weapon, just don’t drop it
     
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  25. PabloJ

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    Well, it looks like fine tradition of gun making has been bested by plastic parts maker from Austria.:eek:
     
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