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P22 European-only accessories...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by nvrquit, Jan 2, 2003.

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  1. nvrquit

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    Specifically, holsters.

    What I'm trying to find out, does anyone have a line on whether the holsters listed on the Walther(Germany) home site can be obtained by any other means. I ask this as neither S&W/WaltherUSA or Earl's Repair list the P22 specific holsters that are listed on the German Walther web site.

    Anyone have any(reasonable/possible) suggestions?
     
  2. Schuey2002

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    PM sent...:D
     
  3. Kentucky Rifle

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    Nvrquit...

    Ron Graham built me a perfect fitting belt holster. It's so well balanced that I don't even have to wear a gunbelt.

    KR
     
  4. psywar

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    I'd love some information about this as well.

    Thx,
    jim
     
  5. nvrquit

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    Delay for now...

    Unfortunately, no info at present on the "euro only" access. availability for the P22.

    My P22 is going back to S&W for diagnosis(on their FedX overnite cost), as it has developed the habit of FTF with some types of ammo. Not unknown. It's only occurring with the non _a suffixed mags, but S&W wants the complete set-up, so off it goes.

    I'll follow-up on the euro access. when the pistol is returned.
     
  6. David S

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    sent mine off a few weeks ago.....................they cant fix it...........sending me a new one.................in 3 WEEKS!! cause they are out
     
  7. nvrquit

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    P22 to S&W service update...

    As stated, my P22 went back to S&W for service. Fed-X on their expense, tracking record shows S&W received the pistol on 1-31/03 at 09:49.
     
  8. nvrquit

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    Call from Walther(aka S&W) about P22...

    Tonight when I arrived home, there was a message on the answering machine from a Frank Bran**** of Walther/S&W. It seems that they wish to replace my P22 with a new P22. The caller indicated they wished me to call, providing an 800 number and his extension. Caller also indicated that they will have to ship the new P22 to an FFL holder, as by his reasoning/knowledge, they can not ship the NEW P22 to me but can only do so to an FFL holder, owing to the different serial #'s of related pistols.


    Hmmm, seems to me that when Taurus replaced the PT940 that had a cracked frame with a new PT940, the serial #'s were not matching in that situation either. However, in that occurence, Taurus shipped thee replacement PT940 directly to my door via FedX overnite express delivery. Has this situation changed in the last 18 months and can no longer be handled as Taurus had, or did Taurus do a no-no in shipping replacement directly to me?

    I ask this as, should I do as Walther/S&W request and go through one of the local shop FFL holders I deal with, they will process the paperwork(NICS, PA state, etc.) and then I will be out the fees for the involved work. Seems to me that I really shouldn't have to pay an additional $30 to $55 for a replacement of a pistol that didn't function correctly to begin with, when I paid that fee when I purchased the ill-functioning P22 the first time.

    Can anyone that has had the P22 old-to-new experience let me know how it was handled in their situation? Did you have to do the FFL waltz also?
     
  9. 10-Ring

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    Don't know about your state, but in CA, you registered under one gun & ser # and now it is a diff't gun & ser #. I know for a fact in CA you would have to re-register. Try calling S&W/Walther and bring this up w/ them, maybe they'll pay for the new registration too.
     
  10. nvrquit

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    New P22 to be shipped....

    .... sometime in the future... whenever the new shipment arrives from Germany... whenever that might be... oh, BTW, S&W/Walther didn't know/couldn't provide an approximate date on when that might be.... maybe two weeks... uh, maybe.

    Well, as long as I get back the short barrel and extra finger rest mag that was sent in with the pistol as originally purchased 5" barreled and two original mags. The CS contact didn't sound all that sure-footed on the matter. I was not impressed with conversational skills. Perhaps he has been verbally beaten about on this issue by other P22 owners in the recent past. Time will tell.
     
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  11. nvrquit

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    Replacement P22 arrives...

    Well, on 3-7/03, I picked up the replacement for my original P22 that had been experiencing mostly FTF with a few FTE problems. It's supposed to be a new pistol, however here's what I received.

    Slide on the new pistol isn't the nice satin black of the origianl, but is a somewhat brown/black with a slight redish tone to it and is of a matte texture. Additionally, while the original slide had the black completely smooth finish existing on all interior surfaces of the slide, with no machining marks of any type, the slide from the replacement pistol has raw alloy exposed on the raceways on the rear interior of the slide. In these exposed areas, the machine marks are clearly visible from the milling process. The overall appearance of the slide is as if the slide was pulled from the production line before the final finishing process was completed, as the replacement as nowhere near as pleasing an appearance as the original. Also, there's a nice nice in the right rear edge of the slide that exposes the nice silver/white alloy. The barrel nut is nicely scratched too, along approximately 1/5th the circumference of the face.

    Maybe it's me, but when I send back a pistol that was purchased NIB and was not scratched or damaged in any way, I kinda of expect the NEW replacement to at least look like something that didn't come out of the test/repair shop. It's almost like a "second" was pulled out of the line for the "replacement" pistols.

    Well, before a trip to the range to test the "replacement", I'll call S&W and let them know of my findings. Truthfully, after talking to the rep. that notified me of repacement of the original, I don't really expect them to do anything, but I'll call anyway.

    Have any other P22 owners that have had their pistols replaced via S&W experienced anything like this?


    Addendum: BTW, the replacement was shipped with two non -A suffix mags, just like the original. Interesting thing is, the original pistol functioned fine with the -A mag I ordered seperately. Explained same to S&W, but they thought I should have a "new" pistol that has an "industrial" finish with origianl non -A sufix mags. I don't get a good feeling about this!
     
  12. nvrquit

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    Here's the range report...

    ... on the replacement P22 from S&W/Walther.

    Today, I went to the range to test out the replacement P22 that S&W/Walther sent to replace my origianl P22.

    Here's the ammo type, types of failures, round counts on each ammo type and totals overall:

    Federal American Eagle, AE5022 High Vel. Soild 40gr.
    60 rounds tested, 11 FTF, 7 Stove-pipe jams
    with all mags tested
    Federal American Eagle, AE22 High Vel. Hollow Point 38gr.
    50 rounds tested, 9 FTF, 3 Stove-pipe jams
    with all mags tested
    Winchester T22 XT22LR Std. Vel. Solid 40gr.
    70 rounds tested, 8 FTF, with all mags tested
    Winchester Power Point, X22LRPP High Vel. Hollow Pnt. 40gr.
    60 rounds tested, NO FAILURES with all mags tested
    PMC Moderator, 22SS Std. Vel. Hollow Point 38gr.
    30 rounds tested, 7 FTF, 30 FTE, 13 straight-line jams
    with all mags tested
    Remington Subsonic, SUB22HP Std. Vel. Hollow Point 38gr.
    60 rounds tested, 9FTF, 2 Stove-pipe jams, 3 slide lock failures
    with all mags tested
    Remington Golden Bullet, 1622 High Vel. Hollow Point 38gr.
    50 rounds tested, 1 FTF, 1 partial case head seperation
    with all mags tested
    Remington Viper, 1922 Hyper Vel. Solid
    50 rounds tested, 12 FTE, with all mags tested
    CCI Stingers, 0050 Hyper Vel. Hollow Point
    50 rounds tested, NO FAILURES with all mags tested


    Total FTF, 45; Total FTE, 42; Total jams all types, 25; Total slide lock failures, 3; Total of all failure types, 115.

    Total of all ammunition types fired: Standard Velocity, 160 rounds; High Velocity, 220 rounds; Hyper Velocity 100 rounds. Total number of rounds fired of all types combined, 480. There was no accuracy tracked during this range session, as this session was for function testing only.

    Opinions of these results are requested. Thanks for any feedback!
     
  13. Triad

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    Since you asked... I'd send it back. The finish problems and lack of reliability you described are unacceptable.
     
  14. Hoploholic

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    Until you try some -A mags, there is really no way of telling whether you pistol is a pig or the mags are inducing the failures. The original mags are pure crap. They are out of spec and if you get one that functions it a miracle. They did not send you -A mags because there are none to be had. If your replacement P22 had been new, it would have had the -A mags with it. Their absence is a dead giveaway that your pistol has been in country for some time.
     
  15. nvrquit

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    P22 tribulation update....

    To all following this post:

    On the -A mag reliability question(versus the original non -A mags), part of the previously posted testing was performed using two non -A mags and one -A mag. All experienced FTF issues, though the frequency with the -A mag was much less than that experienced with the non -A mags. Further testing with a wider selection of ammunition was performed, following a field strip and clean(with the requiste lubrication of appropriate areas). A grand total of the retest was 1020 rounds from 5 different manufacturers, with a total of 17 differing types of ammunition. Twenty rounds of each type/manufacturer of ammunition was used with each magazine(three mags in total). Only 7 ammo types from three manufacturers was found to be error/problem free. Federal ammo(three different types) exhibited the highest number of errors/problems. One note; the barrel nut required tightening after approximately 30 to 40 rounds of ammo was fired. This condition was experienced for the duration of the retest.

    Following this restest, I intended to run the same test using the 5" target barrel. A field strip was performed and then the barrel nut was removed from the 3.4" barrel. Unfortunately, I found the barrel sleeve for the 3.4" barrel to be very difficult to remove(it should slide out with very little effort once the barrel nut is removed). I found the reason for this; it would appear that when the pistol was assembled the barrel sleeve was not properly aligned and the barrel nut tightened down. This caused the aligning "web"(Walther term as used in the manual) to be crushed by the steel barrel sleeve. The "web" is integral with the receiver bridge which is integral with the right side plate. As might be expected, I was not pleased to find this, as this now makes the pistol unable to be reassembled in a safe condition. I might add that the pistol was received from S&W as a 3.4" barreled version, completely assembled.

    All of this info was forwarded to S&W/Walther CS via email on 07-13/03. It was followed up with an email today, with no response having yet been received. Updates to this post will follow.
     
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    S&W/Walther CS contact made!

    Following yet another unanswered email regarding my P22, today I called the telephone number listed on the Walther USA web site. I spoke directly with a rep and a FedX Overnite is being issued for return of the pistol, for replacement with a new P22.

    The rep was very personable. No hassles or any recriminatory statements of any type. I was informed that the individual that processes the email sent to the address listed on the Walther USA site is on vacation this week(just my luck) and they only have soemone filling in for her a few hours each day.

    Updates to follow.
     
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    Thanks for the info

    fnforme,

    Thanks for the lead on the site.

    On the German Walther web site(factory site), the P22 has listed four holster that I haven't found listed on either the S&W/Walther or Earl's Repair web sites. I'm a little partial to the poly belt slide and the wife liked the look of the (leather?) pancake. I also like the looks of the ABS case.
     
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    I'm very interested to see how this turns out (again). Please keep us posted.

    Good luck.
    Wes
     
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    P22 Replacement Update

    Today FedX picked up the first replacement P22 and it is now on its way to S&W/Walther. I'll update on when the second replacement P22 arrives and I get a chance to test it.
     
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    Damaged P22 Return Update

    FedX tracking indicates the damaged P22 was delivered on 07-24/03@08:51.

    The individual responsible for follow-up to email inquiries/reports to Walther America emailed me about 3 1/2 hrs. later, asking that I send the P22 in question in for evaluation/repair. This individual had been on vacation when I arranged for return of the P22 in question.

    From that email, I surmised that inter-departmental communication at Walther America may not be "up-to-date". I emailed the particualrs to the pertinent individual and received a reply the following day, indicating the P22 should be in cust. ser. that day.

    Updates will be posted.
     
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    P22 Warranty Service Return Update...

    My second Walther P22(this one being a warranty replacement for my original) has been at S&W/Walther for two weeks and no communication of any type has been received from said company.

    Updates will be posted.
     
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    Week four, One month...

    The second P22, a warranty replacement for my original P22, has now been back at S&W/Walther for four weeks. No communication has been received from S&W/Walther since a reply to my follow-up inquiry/notification, as posted previously.

    I suppose a telephone call will be required(using the toll free number, of course). Updates will be posted.
     
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    Please continue to keep us appraised about what is going on with your p22. I have beeen interested in buying one, and if this month long ordeal you are going through doesnt resolve swiftly in your favor I do not think I will be getting one!
     
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