P226 X-Five or Kimber Stainless Target II ?

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  1. socalbeachbum

    socalbeachbum Member

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    I enjoy my Glock 34 9mm and shoot well at 25 yds at our indoor range, but have thought about what else is available in 9mm for target use that I'd enjoy more. I'm in California so am limited in what's available here. So wanted to ask others who have owned or shot the Kimber Stainless Target II in 9mm or the Sig P226 X-Five. or the CZ 75 TS in 9mm.

    I know I could have the G34 modified or have a 1911 in 9mm built up, but the Kimber, CZ and Sig interest me. Anyone have comments on the Sig, CZ or the Kimber, as to accuracy in 9mm?
     
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    I've shot regular p226's and they are great, and I'm sure the X-5 is sweet, but for a pure target 9mm, a good 1911 is hard to beat. I'm not a Kimber fan, but if you can afford an X-5, you could also get a S&W SW1911 Pro series.
     
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    I have shot kimbers in the past and they are accurate, but I am definitely not a kimber fan at all.

    I would go with the Sig X-5. I have shot several Sig P226's and currently own one standard model. My 226 was used when I got it. The day I purchased it , it printed a 1.8" group at 25 yards with some junk blasting ammo. I am sure with some load development , it would do 1".

    If you have the cash to spare and its CA compliant, I would look into a Sig P210. I have seen them in the $2,000 range. Hard to find a better target 9mm.
     
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    There are plenty of 1911 target pistols I'd look at before even considering a Kimber. Look at the Colt Gold Cup, various STI pistols, the S&W E-series, or even the Springfield Range Officer.
     
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    I shot both side by side a few years ago, and would recommend the SIG X-5 Competition (the only one of the roster) over the Kimber...or really any 9mm 1911.

    The X-5 will be just as accurate and more reliable than a 9mm 1911
     
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    It comes at a cost of being substantially larger and heavier.
    Nice gun though and would certainly pick it over any Kimber.


    Is the STI EDGE on your roster?
     
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    It is definitely wider...being a double stack and holding 15-17 rounds

    I remember the thing that struck me was the light recoil. The .40 model recoiled like a 9mm and the 9mm, not too much more than a .22lr
     
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    Side by side, the X5 recoils mo' smartly than a Kimber Stainless Custom II. Both are accurate and I've had zero quarrel with the reliability of either.
     
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    CZ 75 TS & MODIFIED Glock 34?

    thanks for the inputs. remembering I'm in California, we can't get the P210 Sig, nor STI in 9mm; but we can always start with a 1911 then get it modified.

    and I've thought about just modifying my Glock 34 to be a more accurate piece. part of my thought process is to start off with an accurate 9mm rather than spending the same or even more $$$ modifying a G34 and hoping it will come up to X-Five accuracy levels.

    no one seems to mention the CZ75 TS but then it seems to be somewhat unavailable.
     
  10. 9mmepiphany

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    Too bad you're in SoCal. This X-5 Allaround (not on the roster) is available for FTF transfer in Central Ca

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    P226 x5

    the roster shows it is valid til Jan 2014, does not spell out All Around, just says P226 X5 with no sku number.

    this is for sale? how much?

    barrel was replaced with a Bar-Sto or is that what Sig uses in it?
     
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    The only X-5 that is on the roster is the Competition model...just below the L-1

    This one was set up by Bruce Gray for the Bianchi Cup match with the fitted Bar-Sto barrel, tuned action and a tighter rear sight notch. That is a 1.10" 50 yard group off a range bag and the owner would usually hold 3" offhand with it at the same range.

    I just talked to someone about it an found it just sold in the SF Bay Area of a bit under $2k...which was a great deal for what it was.

    I have another friend who has a X-5 L-1 (also not on the roster) which has a custom factory Nitron finish and Nills grip...but he wants about $2600 for it and you'd have to drive up to the North Bay to buy it

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    thanks. a while back I saw an X-Five new, for sale at a local gun store. Don't remember the price though.

    Kinda nasty that the roster isn't more clear on calling out the specific skus, like they do on S&W products.
     
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    Never shot, let alone owned a Kimber 9mm. But I do own a master custom shop Sig X5. Shot it the day I bought it, shot like a dream with very little recoil.
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    You've said this a couple of times and I thought maybe the rooster had changed, but I just checked and I'm not sure what you are referring to as it is spelled out pretty clearly:

    The listing for SIGs has two entries for the X-5:
    P226 X5 Comp. (Stainless) / Stainless Steel - one (9mm) expiring 04/07/2014 and another (.40) expiring 01/05/2014
     
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    thanks, I'll try to see if I can find one for sale anywhere
     
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    socal, I've owned the regular Pre B CZ75 and the G34, both very good guns. I haven't owned any of the higher-end CZ Target/Competition models but have read that owners report very good results with them. I do have the 9MM SIG X-5 Allround and a Kimber Target II in 9MM. The X-5 is very accurate, and mine has been functionally reliable with any ammo I've tried. Same with the Kimber. I'd say the X-5 might be a little more accurate at 25 yards when shooting carefully over a rest. My kimber has a fitted barrel bushing, but no other accuracy work. My 9MM X-5 has, as I believe others have also reported, chipped extractors. The second extractor chipped the first time at the range. The first extractor may have also. That being said, I did not discover either extractor had chipped until at home, cleaning the pistol afterwards. I decided to bevel the extractors, as is done with 1911s, and reinstall. Still totally reliable, and no further chipped extractors. That is the only down side I know of with the X-5s, excellent gun otherwise. I have other 1911s in 9MM and have enjoyed excellent accuracy, comparable to the X-5, and functional reliability with all. BTW, I know 9MM 1911s are supposed to be unreliable, ( I currently have the Kimber, Dan Wessons and a Custom Springfield in 9MM ) but mine just seem to work with any quality ammo, to include my own reloads, ball, flat point, hollow point, NATO, +P, +P+...ymmv
     
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    Rock, thanks, that is most encouraging, about the Kimber and other 1911's.

    Epiphany set me straight that the only Calif DOJ allowed X-5 is the $2k competition model. The Kimber can be had for $1k. Since I enjoy shooting, but am not a competitor, I do lean towards investing less $. But I want a nice piece. I would look into doing a 1911 build, but I figured with long lead times to get work done, I'd look to what could be had off the shelf.

    Who did your fitted barrel bushing or did you fit it yourself?
     
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    X-5 :)

    I've been very pleased with the accuracy of my SIG P226 X-5 Tactical model.

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    CZ custom shop pistols may also be a consideration. Amost as accurate as my Tactical model and competively priced.


    CZ 75 SP-01 Custom Shop Pistol

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    After shooting 100's of 9mm semi auto's, I've gotten rid of all but two of my target/range shooters. The X5 level 1 and a highly customized CZ-75 SP01. My other target/range shooters just paled so much in comparison they weren't getting any attention.

    The X5 level 1 is very soft shooting and the adjustable trigger allows me to fit the trigger exactly where it needs to be on the pad of my finger without having to adjust my grip. All the upper level 9mm's I've tried were great, but after shooting the X5 L1 everything else has become second best in every way (accuracy, ergonomics, reliability etc).

    Best Regards,
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    socal, I fitted the bushing. I have some experience, gunsmithing tools, small milling machine, beadblast cabinet,etc. and often do some of the smaller jobs on my guns myself. I know Kimber takes a lot of flak, but the three 9MM and one 38 Super Kimbers I've owned were all accurate, reliable guns that broke nothing, even with +P and +P+ ammo in the case of the 9MMs. Well out of warranty, Kimber did replace a magazine for me once at N/C...
    Shame the SIG P210 and STI 9MM are not on the roster. I have owned more than a couple P210s and never found anything more accurate in my hands when shooting carefully over a rest. If my STI Trojan in .38 Super is any indication, the 9MM version should be a very accurate and reliable gun too, at a very reasonable price, IMHO. I tried to find one of the limited run of Ed Brown Executive Target models in 9MM for sale but was unsuccessful. I decided to try a Dan Wesson PM9. The DWs are very well fitted, finished and accurate 9MM 1911s. Might they be on the Calif. roster?
     
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