PA-63 vs CZ-82
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armoredman
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CZ-82 is far better built, IMHO, but bigger. If to be carried concealed a lot, and shot very little, PA63 might be OK, but for CCW and plenty of trigger time, I'd go with the CZ.
atblis
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Polygonal rifled chrome lined barrel intrigues me (CZ82).
Snowdog
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Sorry... make that a Daewoo Lanos vs Toyota Avalon. Tercels you could run into the ground easily past a quarter million miles. I'm not a fan of the PA-63's frame and I question the durability/longevity.
I'm sure it's a fun pistol though, just not my cup of tea.
I'm impressed by the CZ-82's capacity, quality construction, ergomomics, trigger, sights, magazine release and ambidexrous everything. It was a handgun almost too good for the 9x18; well ahead of it's time. Mine continues to amaze me for the $189 I paid for it and it's C&R eligible to boot.
Sorry... make that a Daewoo Lanos vs Toyota Avalon. Tercels you could run into the ground easily past a quarter million miles. I'm not a fan of the PA-63's frame and I question the durability/longevity.
I'm sure it's a fun pistol though, just not my cup of tea.
I'm impressed by the CZ-82's capacity, quality construction, ergomomics, trigger, sights, magazine release and ambidexrous everything. It was a handgun almost too good for the 9x18; well ahead of it's time. Mine continues to amaze me for the $189 I paid for it and it's C&R eligible to boot.
airrascal
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CZ-82!
I own both. The FEG is a decent pistol, light and concealable. It has always been reliable for me. The CZ is a higher priced gun hiding behind a milsurp disquise.
If you only want one, the CZ is far more gun for the money. But at these prices, get both.
If you only want one, the CZ is far more gun for the money. But at these prices, get both.
I owned 2 pa-63 now just one.
Pro's:
Small, compact, decent accuracy, simple design. cheap
Con's:
A little dirt jambs it up, Hurts your hand like h^^l, kicks like a mule, Breaks fairly easy. Parts cost alot.
I broke an ejector/ slide hold open and it cost nearly half the price of the gun
Pro's:
Small, compact, decent accuracy, simple design. cheap
Con's:
A little dirt jambs it up, Hurts your hand like h^^l, kicks like a mule, Breaks fairly easy. Parts cost alot.
I broke an ejector/ slide hold open and it cost nearly half the price of the gun
Keeterbird
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Have several cz82s. Love them. As Stevemis alluded to, the p63s HUUUURT! when fired more than once. Very good and useful pistol but very difficult to practice with.
woad_yurt
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I replaced the hammer and recoil springs in my PA-63 and, while it kicks a little bit, it's not anywhere near painful. Now it's a pretty good shooter. For me, the CZ 82 is too big for carry, as opposed to the PA-63, which is smaller and very light. Thus, I have no real use for the CZ.
The PA-63 is way nicer to shoot than one of those S&W ultralight revolvers shooting .38 SPL but it seems that the poor PA-63 gets a thousand times more bad press.
The PA-63 is way nicer to shoot than one of those S&W ultralight revolvers shooting .38 SPL but it seems that the poor PA-63 gets a thousand times more bad press.
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Big Daddy Grim
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CZ the PA is not a good gun my opinion of course but I don't even like the feel of the PA. while I do not own the 82 my CZ has served me well one of the best 1911's I have ever owned.
Voerelover
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Cz82 to me is ten times better gun than pa63 side by side the cz82 stands out in quality! i have a cz 82 9x18 and cz83 .380 love both!
Shadow 7D
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It really a personal preference, but the PA has a reputation as a blood letter
weregunner
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http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=46
http://p64.proboards67.com
http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/
Here's where to go for info on the PA-63 if so desired.
I would recommend the CZ82 over the PA-63. The caveat is that owners do make modifications to the pistol to make it more user friendly.
If the gun is for CCW carry then the PA-63 would do better. If the gun needs to be house use or for all around use and easier to shoot and stay proficient with the CZ gets the nod.
See if you can handle examples of both and go with what fits your hand and you best.
http://p64.proboards67.com
http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/
Here's where to go for info on the PA-63 if so desired.
I would recommend the CZ82 over the PA-63. The caveat is that owners do make modifications to the pistol to make it more user friendly.
If the gun is for CCW carry then the PA-63 would do better. If the gun needs to be house use or for all around use and easier to shoot and stay proficient with the CZ gets the nod.
See if you can handle examples of both and go with what fits your hand and you best.
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Pretty much what others have said in this thread:
Get the CZ82, more gun for the money, better made, durable and accurate.
I have both guns and much prefer the 82. The PA63 even with replacement springs is not pleasant to shoot.
Of course if you can find a real Makarov get one of those, better than the CZ or the PA!
Get the CZ82, more gun for the money, better made, durable and accurate.
I have both guns and much prefer the 82. The PA63 even with replacement springs is not pleasant to shoot.
Of course if you can find a real Makarov get one of those, better than the CZ or the PA!
Shadow 7D
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Now sarge your pushing it, the real deal is nice and all, but I think it might be pushing it to say that a Makarov is nicer than a CZ-82, they are both great guns. Unless its an EG, then maybe.
Snowdog
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I wouldn't compare a Mak to a CZ82, the CZ is far more refined IMHO (as well as more ergonomic, better placed safety and higher capacity).
I also shoot my CZ a bit better than the I ever did my Russian IJ-70... probably due to the superior sights.
However, the Mak is built like a tank and will handle the hottest of loads.
I also shoot my CZ a bit better than the I ever did my Russian IJ-70... probably due to the superior sights.
However, the Mak is built like a tank and will handle the hottest of loads.
DMK
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I have an East German Mak and it's very refined next to the CZ82. The CZ loses beauty points with the black painted finish, where the EG Mak has beautiful polished bluing. The fit and finish of the Mak's parts is slightly better than the CZ82 as well. I'm sure you couldn't say all these nice things about a Bulgarian though.
That said, I prefer the ergonomics of the CZ. The grip is large and comfortable, the mag release is right at the thumb, the safety isn't on the slide, it has big easy to see sights. It is much nicer to shoot.
Consider though that I'm comparing a gun that I paid $300 for (the Mak), to a gun that I bought two for $300 (the CZ82s).
That said, I prefer the ergonomics of the CZ. The grip is large and comfortable, the mag release is right at the thumb, the safety isn't on the slide, it has big easy to see sights. It is much nicer to shoot.
Consider though that I'm comparing a gun that I paid $300 for (the Mak), to a gun that I bought two for $300 (the CZ82s).
christcorp
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I have the CZ-82; a PA-63; it's twin brother the AP-MBP in 32acp; as well as a P-64. They are all excellent guns. If you spend the $20 on a recoil and hammer spring for the PA-63, it's a very easy gun to shoot. It does NOT kick too much. And unless you have meat hooks for hands, you're not going to cut yourself or snag any skin when the slide comes back. Not unless you're unfamiliar with semi-auto pistols in general.
The CZ-82 on the other hand is pure steel compared to the alloy of the PA-63. As such, there is almost no kick at all. And personally; it's about one of the most accurate, dependable, and reliable guns on the market. If it wasn't considered a military surplus gun, it would cost probably $400-$500 for the gun instead of $180. Oooops; it does; it's called the CZ-83!!!!! USA Made Twin of the CZ-82 instead of Czech made.
Buy the PA-63 for a pocket gun. (I carry mine literally in the pocket of my jeans). Buy the CZ-82 for a better carry gun. They are both great guns. Definitely stay with the 9mm Makarov caliber. Puts the 380 to shame, at 1/3-1/4th the price; and 10 times the availability. And close to a 38spl in performance.
The CZ-82 on the other hand is pure steel compared to the alloy of the PA-63. As such, there is almost no kick at all. And personally; it's about one of the most accurate, dependable, and reliable guns on the market. If it wasn't considered a military surplus gun, it would cost probably $400-$500 for the gun instead of $180. Oooops; it does; it's called the CZ-83!!!!! USA Made Twin of the CZ-82 instead of Czech made.
Buy the PA-63 for a pocket gun. (I carry mine literally in the pocket of my jeans). Buy the CZ-82 for a better carry gun. They are both great guns. Definitely stay with the 9mm Makarov caliber. Puts the 380 to shame, at 1/3-1/4th the price; and 10 times the availability. And close to a 38spl in performance.
^^ Agree. The PA doesn't really recoil that bad. It's a bit sharp, but it's just about as fatiguing as shooting my fullsize G21. I think the bad rap comes mostly from the assorted sharp bits all over the gun, and possibly also due to the big handle hump, for some shooters.
Even before you fire the gun, you'll be in pain. Just flipping the safety off is painful and can draw blood. Not only is the safety stiff and razor sharp - even the slide serrations under the safety will bite! The serrated trigger will quickly wear down your finger, esp when fired double action. Then the sharp points on the back of the slide can really slice you. This isn't a range gun. Then neither is the Walther PP.
But all of this can be fixed, if it's worth the effort for you.
Also, the PA gets flak for a stiff DA trigger. But since deburring and polishing the internals and going with Wolf springs, I gotta say my PA's DA trigger is still heavy, but it's smooth and predictable in both DA and SA. The SA trigger is excellent with very little overtravel and an extremely short reset. Shorter than a Glock. It's a 2 stage single action trigger with no creep, and as with a Glock, you don't need to release the first stage in order to shoot it again.
Even before you fire the gun, you'll be in pain. Just flipping the safety off is painful and can draw blood. Not only is the safety stiff and razor sharp - even the slide serrations under the safety will bite! The serrated trigger will quickly wear down your finger, esp when fired double action. Then the sharp points on the back of the slide can really slice you. This isn't a range gun. Then neither is the Walther PP.
But all of this can be fixed, if it's worth the effort for you.
Also, the PA gets flak for a stiff DA trigger. But since deburring and polishing the internals and going with Wolf springs, I gotta say my PA's DA trigger is still heavy, but it's smooth and predictable in both DA and SA. The SA trigger is excellent with very little overtravel and an extremely short reset. Shorter than a Glock. It's a 2 stage single action trigger with no creep, and as with a Glock, you don't need to release the first stage in order to shoot it again.
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Timetraveller
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PA-63 is a total piece of crap! Jammed continuosly. For its cheap price don't consider it. The CZ-82 makarov is much better. No jams or stovepipes. However they are all surplus guns. No frills and your lucky if you can find one that isn't beat up some.
The grons
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I have 2 CZ 82's and had one blued with cherry grips from that guy in Hungary. Great guns but a bit thick for CCW. I love to shoot them at the range. I replaced the front site with CZ 83 sites; I called CZ USA and bought them for $8 and had to sand them to fit but they are such an improvement over the stock sights.
I just bought a new PA-63 in the box for $189. I think it is a great looking gun and a bit skinnier for carrying in the pocket or inside the pants. I hope that since it is brand new; the spring will be strong enought so it doesn't bite too much. I shot a friends and was not impressed, but since I have thousands of rnds of MAK ammo and this gun will be strictly for carry (hope I never have to use it) I thought I could tolerate some muzle flip and recoil bite.
One of my CZ's the polygonal rifling is barely visible and the other is much better; though they both still are accurate as all heck; but sometime the garbage brown bear ammo keyholes.
I removed the paint from one of the 82's and sprayed and baked on some gunkote and it looks brand new.
What pound spring should I get from Wolf? And will this effect ejection?
I just bought a new PA-63 in the box for $189. I think it is a great looking gun and a bit skinnier for carrying in the pocket or inside the pants. I hope that since it is brand new; the spring will be strong enought so it doesn't bite too much. I shot a friends and was not impressed, but since I have thousands of rnds of MAK ammo and this gun will be strictly for carry (hope I never have to use it) I thought I could tolerate some muzle flip and recoil bite.
One of my CZ's the polygonal rifling is barely visible and the other is much better; though they both still are accurate as all heck; but sometime the garbage brown bear ammo keyholes.
I removed the paint from one of the 82's and sprayed and baked on some gunkote and it looks brand new.
What pound spring should I get from Wolf? And will this effect ejection?
Drgong
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CZ, as the Pa needs a lot of work to make it up to its true standard. Though I do not fault the PA, as i was able to trade my PA and a little cash for a S&W.
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