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Packing at work

Discussion in 'Legal' started by armedpolak, Oct 11, 2006.

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  1. armedpolak

    armedpolak member

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    So I just started this new job in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. I had an 8 hour long orientation, and an hour of it was sexual harasment :barf:

    Anyways, I got a large booklet listing all the company policies, and no mention of CCW in it. I noticed we have armed guards at the main lobby.

    SO what do you guys think? Should I go to the HR and ask ?
    Or is it save to assume that there is no policy, so I'm free to exercise my rights (as soon as I get my friggin CCW permit from the state of FL :cuss: can't wait!)

    P.S. Not a single "no guns allowed" sign anywhere either.
     
  2. Henry Bowman

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    Read and re-read the policy booklet. Look for other places that a company policy might hide (like an intranet site). If not otherwise prohibited, carry (with discretion) in accordance with state law. Keep it concealed and your mouth shut. What is to be gained by asking?
     
  3. wdlsguy

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    No! It's easier to get forgiveness after the fact than permission before the fact. It doesn't sound like you are breaking any laws or policies anyway.
     
  4. salvador31c

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    You might want to ask HR or your Manager if you cant find a weapons policy it might be ok I used to leave my hand gun in the car while working and my manager was ok with it as long as it was in the car while i was working but she let me carry a pocket knive oh my bad utlitiy knife :evil: most companys have a no weapons policy so you want to make sure as it is grounds for dismissal in some cases
     
  5. carebear

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    There was no policy at my company so I carried. Don't do their work for them. Eventually some other jerk screwed up and they created a policy so I had to stop. Don't give them any ideas.

    If there is no Fed, state or local law and no published (thus legally binding) company policy carry and keep discrete about it. No policy, they can't fire you for breaking one.

    I have a general policy for situations like this, I don't ask questions that might open a can of worms I don't want.
     
  6. armedpolak

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    can't find anything

    I searched the entire Policies and Procedures section of the company internal website, especially the Legal section, and no mention of anything. NO signs on the buildings. NO signs on the company parking lot. And NO documents about it available on the company site.

    So what do you think?
     
  7. carebear

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    If it is state legal, Carry. Just keep it discreet; very, very discreet.

    If you scare some ninny (not even by doing anything, just if they get wind there's a "gasp" gun in the building) and they complain I can almost guarantee you'll have a policy faster than you can spit.

    There may be other folks there carrying now. Don't screw it up for them (not that you would, just be real discreet).
     
  8. salvador31c

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    if u couldnt find any weapons policy in manual which it would normally be or any posted policys and signs in break areas and employee areas u might be in the clear to carry
     
  9. RNB65

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    If you're sure there's no policy prohibiting it, then you can carry with no fear (assuming you have a CCW license). But you can be certain that the first time they discover you're carrying, a no weapons policy will be soon to follow.
     
  10. shield20

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    Go ahead and carry. And remember when you put it on the tank in the crapper not to leave it there.
     
  11. jamz

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    In your situation, I would carry.

    My work says that possession of weapons MAY result in immediate termination. I read that to say it may not, too. I'm an optimistic guy. :)
     
  12. carebear

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    There have been threads on the best way to use the facilities.

    Mine, LW Cmdr, never leaves my body. Out of holster (where it can flip out), into pocket (can't fall out if shoved down in, try it), lower trou, sit, do business, stand, buckle, reholster.

    No possibility of falling on floor or being left behind.
     
  13. Zundfolge

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    Carry and keep your mouth shut.

    Asking HR is a bad idea because once you ask you just shined a bright light on something they missed and a week later you'll end up with a new company handbook with a clear no weapons policy.
     
  14. carebear

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    On a larger scale, look at this as a chance to widen your mindset. As Americans we should never be looking for "permission" from some authority to do things.

    We should instead look at whether the things we want to do are prohibited.

    If they are not explicitly prohibited, do them if you want to.

    If they are prohibited, decide if that prohibition makes sense and is lawful and then decide whether to abide the prohibition (and/or seek to repeal it) or not.

    Freedom, not permission.
     
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    If you have done your due dilligence and have found no policy, and you can carry legally in your state, go ahead and caryy, but don't ask and don't tell anyone.
     
  16. Green Lantern

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    1) DO NOT ASK!
    2) Read the policies very carefully
    3) DO NOT ASK!
    4) Study State law just to make sure you're ok to carry if there's nothing in the policy against it
    5) DO NOT ASK!
    6) Do not TELL!!!!

    I think by now you've got the idea! :D
     
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  17. AirForceShooter

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    Shut up
    Carry
    :p
    AFS
     
  18. zoom6zoom

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    As I told one of my friends - "If you can't tell I'm carrying, why should I(tell)?
     
  19. Tess

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    Where the policy hides

    In Lockheed Martin, the policy resides under "safety and security" and creating a safe workplace.

    They also think they can search my vehicle. They can try.
     
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    Jobs are easier to replace than lives.
     
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    Folks that tell you to stand up for your rights and make a point....

    probably won't be taking care of you when you lose your job.

    Don't ask. Don't tell. And I wouldn't trust a soul there.
     
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    Unusual not not to find a prohibition in the personell manual of a place that submits you to multiple hours of sexual harassment training at the get go. I'm sure if you ask about it they will oblige by adding it to the employee deportment list. armed security guards. I worked in a state agency that spent huge blocks of time teaching against sexual harassment, and political correctness of all sorts. Naturally any and all weapons were prohibited with the exception of chemical sprays. ( The agency placed their employees at high risk every day.} The security guards were expected to protect the little people but to do so without weapons as the sight of a gun fwightened them.
     
  23. ALHunter

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    Sounds like you have done your due diligence research. Make sure you are legal with proper permit, and carry. Don't ask HR!

    I can tell you the phone call your HR Manager will make to their legal counsel 15 seconds after you walk out of his/her office: "Hello, lawyer? Yes, we need you to draft a company policy that prohibits employees from carrying weapons on compnay property."
     
  24. DesertShooter

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    If you're just starting that job, then it might benefit you to NOT carry, at least for awhile. You'll probably befriend a co-worker fairly soon, and if you trust them, you might ask them if they are aware of any such rule/policy that may be "obscure".

    You PROBABLY already have a "feeling" about your new job, especially since "No guns allowed" was not pushed into your face during a pre-employment interview. You have also shown "due diligence" by studying the policy literature that was given to you.

    If you DO start carrying right away, you probably should figure out how to safely/discretely disarm yourself and stow the weapon without anyone noticing. Remember, one of the "C's" in CCW means "concealed"!
     
  25. #shooter

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    Be careful when reading the policy handbook or website. There may be a policy the does not specifically mention firearms or weapons. I have seen policy that is so broad it included "dangerous items" as a catch all. Many HRs love to be vauge and broad.
     
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