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Packing the New 12 Bore Diablo Howdah

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by freedom475, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. freedom475

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    There has been a few threads started around the net about the new Diablo howdah pistols. I think they look great. I can't wait to get my hands on mine!

    These are Black Powder Muzzleloaders and completely legal.

    https://americanguncraft.com/products/

    I have a Pedersoli howdah 20 gauge, but it is just too big to carry. So I am sure glad to see this little 12 guage being offered.

    I think the little 6" Diablo is going to be very portable and usable. I see their magnet attachment going on my boat and another mounted in the side-by-side for sure!

    This thing should destroy a Rattle Snake! Might even get a grouse near the trail with some #4buck. Sure will be interesting to fire a 70cal roundball over the chronograph...This may even qualify as a point-blank hog stomper!?

    Many of you know me, and that I make holsters for a living. So my question for you guys is.. What style of a holster would you like to see available for the Diablo? I think this will be a tidy little package for your hip. They are small enough that a shoulder or chest holster should also work well.

    The Diablo does come with a little ramrod, so whatever I do, I will be integrating a way to carry the ramrod and a couple 209primers right on the holster.

    Please share your thoughts on this with me.

    (And please, if you are not interested in the Diablo'...Please don't litter my thread with negativity.)

    Thanks guys.
    Wes

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  2. TTv2

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    Don't have much experience carrying, but given the size of these, I think they're well suited for cross draw holsters. I don't know how heavy these will be, but if it's a lot, then I'd say some form of shoulder holster or a chest holster.
     
  3. Loyalist Dave

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    I'm curious, does this fire both barrels at the same time, OR does it switch back and forth, giving you one barrel at a time? The really nice thing about BP shotguns is that you can tailor the load recoil for what you can tolerate, and what you want done to the target. ;)

    Magnolia Leatherworks http://magnolialeatherworks.blogspot.com/ makes holsters from Hollywood productions, so they have one that would fit a cut down, full sized shotgun a la Mel Gibson in Mad Max, and they have a holster for a cut down Winchester lever-action, aka the "mare's leg", a la Steve McQueen in Wanted: Dead or Alive. You might get some ideas from them.

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  4. freedom475

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    Cut/pasted this from the website ...Single hammer, single trigger and utilizes a selector on the hammer to select one barrel or the other...

    The rotating firing pins on a Derringer are a pain in the butt..so an external, manual hammer switch will be handy.
    You could load a Round Ball for the bear on the way to the barn,,and the other barrel loaded with Rock-Salt or rice for the mice/rats in the barn!..LOL

    The length is only 10 inches total! It says that they only weigh 1.6Lbs..that's just under 26oz!? That's what the featherweight, Scandium frame 329 S&W weighs. Being able to tailor your loads will sure be nice..
     
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  5. Loyalist Dave

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    Yeah and they can be complicated too, them derringers. Stuff to break.

    The recommended load is 40 grains of FFg…, I think I'd go a tad hotter if I thought I was going to encounter a bear, and probably load both barrels for said bruin. ;) The rodents would either live to see another day, OR I'd carry a .22 caliber, AR-7 to handle them. :D

    Since the 209 primers are enclosed, so reliability is increased..... this thing might be just the trick loaded with 3/4 of an ounce of #4 buckshot, used at 20 feet or less on shall we say, "primate type predators" ??


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  6. arcticap

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    There are holsters for the Pedersoli Howhah.

    1.--->>> https://www.americasgunstore.com/products-page/modern-holster/pedersoli-howdah-pistol-holster/

    2.--->>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/626918...MInZf8s9DK4AIVxSSGCh2gLQb7EAYYASABEgKtIfD_BwE

    Perhaps your design could add a flap like a TC Contender Bandolier holster has, and maybe an optional shoulder loop too if desired that could extend down toward the hip instead of wearing it on a belt.
    However it could attach to the belt and be worn on either side.

    Another idea would be putting it in concealed carry fanny pack that would contain some reloads with it.

    Either way, a holster for it may benefit by having either a retaining strap, a flap or a compartment/pouch for needed supplies.
    Or a supplies pouch could be attached to a shoulder loop.
     
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    Negativity...

    My question - does anyone actually have one of these in the real world? I see people posting that they've sent $ to the company but none have shipped yet.
     
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    I am not aware of a single one in anyone's hands yet. I had lots of questions, concerns, and suspicions myself Drobs...I called them and felt a lot better about the company's legitimacy by the time the phone call ended.

    Sure hope it all works out, because they look nice in the pictures. And if you like muzzleloading, I think it would be impossible to fire this thing and not smile!! :)
     
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  9. freedom475

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    I have a new Diablo in hand!!! It came nicely boxed and packaged. And wrapped in a nice cloth bag.

    This little devil makes you giggle when you hold it!..LOL If you like making blackpowder smoke as much as me... you will probably need one of these.

    No shooting review yet...This is an early production model that doesn't belong to me. So I'm just getting patterns together for holster making right now. But I wanted to share some of the un-boxing pictures with you folks.

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    Sorry, but you walked right into this one.
     
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    I'm looking at the pics that the OP just posted and the immediate thought that popped into my head was "these look awfully easy to convert into a breechloader." Not with smokeless shells, but you could load black powder shotshells and run them no problem if these were made into a breechloader.

    Not suggesting it btw, but all it would take is some machining skills and it could be done.
     
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    You may have the only one in existence.
     
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    Wouldn't you then need the $200 tax stamp? Since black powder shotshells are available over the counter these days, you'd have a tough time convincing John Law that wasn't a prohibited weapon, outside a courtroom. The lawyer would cost a lot too.

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    I'm not saying it should be done, I'm just saying it could be done.
     
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    Not to mention the 5-10 years lost wages...
     
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    The holster for a Diablo should be something like a short thick scabbard perhaps with some devilish accouterments adorning it.
    The cover flap for containment should wear a tieback to the holster's rear and be decorated with engraved image of the demon from 'Legend' Diablo.JPG
     
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    I just got my hands on one of these. I heard some people were having a wait but it looks like they've got themselves all caught up. The quality of this item seems top notch.You can really tell that They take a lot of pride in their product simply based on the packaging the ship it in. everything was pristine and very well kept. The item came to me just as expected and even included a very nice stowaway bag. I can’t wait to take this thing out to the range because it’s sure not to disappoint. Discussing recoil Management is kind of moot since you’re able to pick your own loads. If anybody is still scratching their heads about the quality of this product… scratch no more! This thing is a winner!
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    I will be moving up to much bigger loads by the end of the week. I told you guys I would post up some footage as soon as I got my ammunition. So here it is!

     
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    It's funny how you laugh every time she goes off...lol
     
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    Soooo much fun!
     
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    There's been too much darn rain to get out there and shoot the review.
     
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    Thanks for posting this up. I guess I missed this post.
     
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    The recoil is extremely manageable. After having fun and exploring how much power you could put into it. I decided to take it out and put it to some real use. If you are using it for closer range hunting then you're probably not going to go over 60 grains and ½ oz of shot. At least not for varmint hunting. And I figure 80 would be pretty good if you're using round ball at close range as well. Brought it along to the woods and got a few squirrels. My woods are thick and I often end up too close to several of them to harvest with my shotgun. By the time they get to a desired distance I'm shooting thru tons of brush. So this really came in handy!
     

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    I didn't want one until I watched the videos. :p
     
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