Paper Cartridges, step by step photos..

[cidirkona]

Hey, I might actually get that weird looking black thing out of the back of my safe now - that actually looks decently straightforward.

On second thought, I still don't have the guts or know-how to actually shoot that thing....

-Colin

 

[Duncaninfrance]

Hey, I might actually get that weird looking black thing out of the back of my safe now - that actually looks decently straightforward.

On second thought, I still don't have the guts or know-how to actually shoot that thing....

-Colin

Go On Colin be a little You never know till you try and then BOOM! you wonder why it took you so long
Duncan

 

[cidirkona]

Oh, the concept of 'boom' seems very nice - but the concept of 'kaboom' seems a little less appetizing.

Does anyone want to buy her? I can get pictures later if anyone wants. Brass framed remmy .45 cal with a 10-12 inch barrel.

-Colin

 

[georgeduz]

i try these at the range,and could not keep a tight group,and too much lube over the ball does the same.i might just try to roll up only the powder charge next time.

 

[sundance44s]

sundance44s

Nice job with the rolling paper .. i never could roll like that ..had to use a pipe . but hey i got a brother in law that can roll like that .. i`ll get him to roll me some when he gets out of prision !

 

[Gewehr98]

Colin, if you're serious about selling...

Shoot me a PM. I've become addicted to BP cap & ball revolvers, but unfortunately, the first two I obtained are now the cherished property of my stepsons.

 

[The Sicilian]

Awesome!

I'd been reading about how to make these cartriges for the past day or so, pictures sure are worth a thousand words. I've even got a pack of papers lying around...I think I'll give it a try. Thanks brother.

The Sicilian.

 

[quiknot]

wondered how it was done.....

now that i see it (a picture is worth 1000 words) it seems so natural....always liked shoooting my BP's...but hated the time it took to reload and then how quickily it shot out all those six shooters....now i can load a few in paper and havew a field day shooting....

one note / question....read where they were made to shot accurate at 75 yds....shooting at 25 / 50 yds...do i use "kentucky windage " or file down the high front sight?

 

[timuchin]

I'm glad everyone is enjoying these.

Hard to explain, but easy to do once you get the hang of it.

 

[Tallyman541]

Just a thought

Seems nice and easy I also had an idea I wanted to throw around if you took a block of something short enough to hold the cartraige and the top would stick out so you could twist off the extra paper(wood, plastic, aluminum, styrofoam) then drill how ever many holes you could fit all the size of the bullet you would use and put the ball in the rolling papers like the first example then plop the ball and paper into one of the holes and fill with powder and then seal it off. you would have a little case(heavy!!!) or just something to make the cartraiges in. I would like to take full credit for this design....a little fine tuning help from 4v50 Gary

 

[Tallyman541]

Paper cartridges

I had an idea I wanted to throw around if you took a block of something short enough to hold the cartraige and the top would stick out so you could twist off the extra paper(wood, plastic, aluminum, styrofoam) then drill how ever many holes you could fit all the size of the bullet you would use and put the ball in the rolling papers like the first example then plop the ball and paper into one of the holes and fill with powder and then seal it off. you would have a little case(heavy!!!) or just something to make the cartraiges in. I would like to take full credit for this design....a little fine tuning help from 4v50 Gary

 

[TMM]

sounds like a good idea, no messing around with it freehand - can probably increase speed too.

~tmm

 

[armedandsafe]

hmmmm...send me dimensions. Hole diameter, hole depth, rifle or revolver.

Pops

 

[armedandsafe]

I'd like to play with that one. I have a little black locust left. Might finish out right nicely.

Pops

 

[Tallyman541]

Honestly it was just an idea that popped into my head don't have anything to make cartraiges for yet

 

[Tallyman541]

BTW what size nipples do the 1858 remingtons on Cabela's have? I am looking for a nipple wrench

 

[Duncaninfrance]

Since I got my bench loader I have to admit that I have stopped making paper cartridges. I find the loader produces better consistancy with no paper residue.
I know - BigIron paper for better booms!! Trouble is I need the fomula so I can make my own. Can't import stuff like that
Duncan

 

[4v50 Gary]

Armed & Safe: Dimensions depends on what caliber gun you're loading for. The block should be drilled out to fit the ball and paper without breaking the paper. That's a trial & error routine with scrap wood.

 

[pascalp]

45ACP brass work well for Paper 44PN.
One hand only touch brass, other slide bullet then both twist the paper.



For transport, I kept brass protection and use a 45ACP box.

I've stop twisting paper for the bottom (too many misfires) and now i fold the paper, just glued with saliva. Even if more fragile than twist, the 45brass prevent paper to tear.
Now, when i clean chamber i get a peace of paper with a clean hole in the bottom.

 

[Tallyman541]

That seems pretty close to my idea but my idea was using the holes in the box itself

 

[armedandsafe]

I've seen one with the holes drilled through the block. You just place the block on the muzzle and ram the whole thing home. I'm perking some ideas around. More for rifle/shotgun than for revolver, though.

Of course, if you remove the cylinder from the gun, you could drill your hole pattern to match the cylinder and... hmmmm

Pops

 

[Warren]

pascalp, those look awesome.

You can get .45 brass in France it is not regulated out of reach?

Is that cornstarch as the filler?

 

[Tallyman541]

All very interesting just post em up here when you got an idea

 

[pascalp]

Tallyman,
A loading block may not be so easy. You will need enough clearance between holes to work on each cartridge without disturbing other.

For your loading block, try to get taper holes. If you use a conical mandrel to form the jacket, it will give a better support to paper wall while reloading operations. It don't bother if paper tear in chamber under pressure, in loadin block that's an other story!.


Individual armor facilitate manipulations, I think to coat upper part of cartridge with hot grease.
Unprimed .45 brass are really convenients.Due to inside taper of case wall. When you fill the jacket it tighten against wall without slippery while squeezing paper, pushing the bullet. So you can handle, rotate firmly the cartridge.

Don't know if a .380acp or shortened .38spe will fit so well for 36 caliber. I say a shortened 38spe, as a try with a .45Colt wasn't successfull, paper jacket wasn't enough supported!.



Warren,
You are right, .45 brass are regulated items. But I'm also a legal, "modern" caster/metallic reloader/shooter, owning .45ACP wheelgun and 1911. As filler I use couscous, semolina not far from cornstarch, I suppose.

 

[Tallyman541]

Oh I never took into consideration the disturbing the others but I guess that puts a thwart to my plans ain't it