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Paper Cartridges, step by step photos..

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by timuchin, Jun 22, 2005.

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  1. Chubbo

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    Pictures & dimentions

    Hi, All:
    I have been going over some of the pictures of old combustable paper cartridg packes. Oldelm posted pictures of the lables of some of his cartridge packs, in post#192.
    Norseman 01 posted pictures of old oridginal packs in post #181. could I get you guys or anyone else to send me pictures of these packs, and the outside dimentions of the original packs? I can not download pictures from this forum. I would like to make some of the Packs to put in cases that I build for my BP revolvers. I have been able to make lables for the Eley/Colt cap tins, but need lables for the cartridge packs, or Skins, as some call them.
    Thanks.
    Chubbo
     
  2. 1858rem

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    howdy! i have loaded these for about a year the way was mentioned in the first page... but lately i found if you cut a zig zag in half along the crease you can roll 2 cartridges with 25 grains of 777 and a rb or conical. you roll around the dowel with about 3/8 of the tip of the ball showing and wet the paper and gummed edge to hold it all together. by the time you have this done there is barely enough room for more then 25 grains 777 which is a decant load for prolonged shooting with no jams. but you very carefully twist the end of the powder side with your fingernails and wet it a little to make it stay, but also making it very fragile. if you have the 45 acp box it will not break.... except for when you load it, then it will unravel at the powder end spilling the powder into the cylinder and having no chance of blocking the flame from the primer :evil:
     
  3. kungfuhippie

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    Just found this thread. Got a Remington Army replica on Friday and couldn't get out to shoot it Saturday. Now I know how I'll be spending my evenings this week, preparing for next weekend...

    The attractive girl at the gas station is gonna think I'm a stoner, that goes to work really early every day...
     
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  4. BPR

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  5. gotgcoalman

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    Been using same thing for a rifle(use the king size papers)
     
  6. B00SS

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    This would make a good "sticky."
     
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  8. riverdog

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    BP newbie checking in. . .

    Very new to black powder firearms (Uberti Rem 1858 inbound as I type) and Zig-Zag/French light rolling papers are an unfamiliar item to me. However, making up paper cartridges seems to make a lot of sense and should make handling reloads in the field much easier.

    That said, what is the best source for the papers? Amazon sells Zig Zag 1.25 Cigarette Rolling Papers as well as ZIG ZAG 1.0 ROLLING PAPERS. They've also got ZIG ZAG 1 1/4 ORANGE SLOW BURNING but I'd guess those are the wrong ones to get as a faster burn would probably be better. What's teh difference between 1.0 and 1.25? Assuming that's a size, is bigger better or what?

    Any problems with using the papers with Goex Pinnacle FFFG powder?

    TIA, great thread.
     
  9. BlackNet

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  10. jeffsenpai

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    great thread. lots of good info!
     
  11. jmaubin

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    Question, Have any of you made these with a "felt wad" ( I perfer to use these over lard), and if so how did it work out?
     
  12. 1858rem

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    i haven't tried it with felt wads, but if you will be shooting soon after you make the cartridges, lube pills seem to work fine but over time turned my paper clearish like the melted a little so i did not shoot em.....took about a summer week~80-90f i think to melti-sh em
     
  13. Dr. Strangelove

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    Thanks for this great thread, I'll be shooting my Remington much more now, and finally using up all those papers I had lying around from days gone by...

    By the way, I found that my AAA size Mini-Maglight© makes a perfect rolling form. (I tried my old rolling machine, just wouldn't do the job!) 1.5's seem to work the best for my purposes.
     
  14. husker

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    chiech-n-chong would be very proud. moma allways said i looked like a tree hugin hipey with those zig zags on the dash board of my old f-150
     
  15. Smokin_Gun

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    Looks can be decieving, it's what's inside that counts :O)
    Either way it's about up in smoke...
     
  16. Boom-stick

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    FWIW, I roll my papers round the end of a Mil-tac TDP Pen, seal up the thin end drop in the powder and then drop the ball in. The taper on the pen lets me insert the rolled "cartridges" a bit easier into the cylinder.
     
  17. oam

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    hello,

    very interesting thread.

    i have nearly the same method than DODO but i cut the paper before. I just let the part whith glue as you see here:
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    my tutorial was posted originnaly here : http://urrp.free.fr/poudre_noire/cartouches_papier

    i'm french, i hope you'll understand my english :)
     
  18. alemonkey

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    I just rolled up my first ever 12 paper cartridges and I used felt wads under the balls. Wads are 1/8" felt, soaked in a 50/50 paraffin/crisco mix. I used nitrated phone book paper.

    I used a punch that happened to have a handle the same size as a .380 ball. I used a paint brush to first apply a little thinned Elmer's glue to the edge of the paper, then wrapped it around the punch. I then inserted a felt wad with a ball on top, then twisted shut the ball end.

    Then I charged with 20 grains of powder. On the last 4 or 5 I started just folding the powder end over and holding it down with a little dab of glue, rather than twisting it shut. I feel like this will end up with a thinner layer of paper on the powder end than if it's twisted shut. Hopefully this will lead to more reliable ignition. Plus, it was a lot quicker and less likely to tear. I'll be sure to post my results both with the wads and the folded vs. twisted ends.
     
  19. Tango2

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    My paper cartridges

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    84308b4a973a5901dc0b439239485376.jpg :)
     
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  20. Oyeboten

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    They look like Pupae..!


    Well...I'm going to go try rolling some myself...


    Later Edit:


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    Atually, have 12 rounds made up...30 grain, 'Grease-Pill', & Ball...
     
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  21. Oyeboten

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    Well...went out to the Range and tried them out.


    They worked good, but, the Twisted Ends seemed to impair effeciant combustion, so, I'm going to try a one-layer folded end, and, a thinner forming 'tube', so the Cartridge will slip in to the Cylinder Bore easier, and, so the Paper will tear when the Cartridge is compressed in the Cylinder Bore.
     
  22. Smokin_Gun

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    Bring a homemade nipple pick ... (smaller paperclip filed to a point) poke each flashole before cappin'.
    Usually does the trick...
     
  23. Oyeboten

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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...good idea..!
     
  24. WALKERs210

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    I found this tread and was amazed at how easy it was. I started experimenting with different dowels sizes and wound up taking a FELT TIP Marker pen apart and used the barrel which worked out to a perfect size for my 44cal. Then I went through my collection of retractable pens with mics and found one that was .490 outside diam. Cut both ends off and just left a tube. Now I just roll the paper around leaving it every so slightly loose when the glue dries I push the tube back enough to put the ball in and twist the end. Then from the open end of tube I pour in the measured powder and slowly pull the paper off and then twist the end. So far works great.
     
  25. zaboomafoozarg

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    Quick question: would this work for a muzzle loading pistol?

    Like a kentucky traditions??
     
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