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Para GI Expert is the best 1911 deal on the market for $

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by S&WMP45, Jun 6, 2009.

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  1. S&WMP45

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    i just bought the new para gi expert 1911 about 3 weeks ago, for the money there is no other 1911 that can touch it.

    the feed ramp and barrel throat are highly polished, the extractor is even highly polished.

    the muzzle is precision crowned, and the slide is HAND fitted to the frame. there is no play whatsoever in the slide to frame fit it. also has a match grade 4-4.5 lb trigger pull.

    it always fires with no problems and shoots one hole groups. tell me of another 1911 out there that has these features and capabilities for $550 (what i paid) for a straight from the factory 1911.

    i just want to mention also, i have no clue as to why para does not mention these features on their website, maybe the move to NC has them behind on things?

    anyone else here have this gun? let's hear some additional reviews! (or questions)
     
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  2. railroader

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    I saw those for sale about a month ago. They look like a lot of gun for the money. I was interested until I found out it could be shipped to california. :cuss:

    Mark
     
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  5. nelson133

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    The RIA Tactical is a better gun for many dollars less.
     
  6. ROBBY.1911

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    para uses investment cast slides. until they switch to forged slides they are not going to get my money. and i would dearly love to have a couple of them.
     
  7. Zach S

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    I only have one Para, and the frame/slide fit is pretty sloppy. The extractor wouldn't hold tension until I replaced it with a wilson BP, the stainless steel doesn't resist rust as well as my blued thompson, and it hangs up with a limp wrist if I dont change the recoil spring every 500 rounds or so (its a 3.5" gun).

    On the other hand, my used $500 Kimber resists rust very well, didnt give me any problems in the first 5000 rounds that I owned it. It still hasn't given any problems, but for that first 5k, all I did was shoot it, oil it, an pull a boresnake through every now and then. My stainless pistol looked parkerized on the inside. I had to bead blast it to get it clean.
     
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    If you got a P-O that functions, more power to you. :p
     
  9. rbernie
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    I bought a Para GI ExSpurt about six weeks ago. It shoots fine, and functions as well as any other basic 1911 I own. It also uses some of the cheesiest lookin' cast bits known to man, but I can live with that so long as they work.

    More importantly to me, I am pretty pissed that Para can't see fit to stick to standard 1911 blueprints and keep their parts interchangable with 'normal' 1911 pattern bits. If you want to swap bits to customize the pistol, be aware that something as innocuous as an extended mag release from any reputable vendor WILL NOT FIT in the ExSpurt. It may not sound like a big deal, but I am not impressed with a 1911-pattern pistol maker who feels the need to go proprietary with the dimension of something as silly as a mag release.

    In my neck o' the woods, the Para GI is about the same cost as a new Springer MilSpec or a RIA/Citadel Tactical or a used Nork or 1991 Colt. Knowing now what I didn't know six weeks ago - I'd probably pick up the Para last in that lineup of choices.
     
  10. S&WMP45

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    i've heard reservations about cast frames and slides, ruger has been using them for years and with no problems, and their durability is well known.

    i've never heard of any problems with para's cast stuff either.

    i've heard of the "power extractor" breaking, but the gi expert does not have the power extractor, it has a standard one.

    i guess i would rather have forged, but it really doesn't make a difference to me, as long as the gun performs.

    i have handled other para's where the frame to slide fit did have a lot of play, not sure why they suddenly decided to hand fit the gi expert tightly, but they sure did a great job on it.

    i was actually thinking of getting an alloy LTC, but that loose slide to frame fit isn't very appealing.

    as for aftermarket parts fitting, there are aftermarket parts my specifically for para's, i'm not sure which ones fit the gi expert, or if standard parts would fit this partiular para model, but i'm sure you could call a gunsmith at para and ask. they even have a pro shop that can install custom parts for you too.


    the sa mil spec is more $ than the gi expert in my area. it came down to either that or the para, i thought with all the features the para comes with it was a better deal. considering the gi expert has several hundrel dollars more worth of custom work than the sa mil spec, i decided on that one. nothing wrong with the sa mil spec though, fine gun too.
     
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    I would like to some written proof that a lower end model in a manufacturers line up has a hand fitted frame/slide. Besides, this is not a significant factor in improved accuracy.

    A 1911 not made to 1911 specs would, as rbernie pointed out, would be a no-go for me. I have nothing against Para, but a 1911 should be just that.
     
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    That's kinda the point of a 1911, isn't it?

    I mean, I don't buy a Para to have a Para. I buy a Para to have a 1911. I don't care if it has Para or Springfield or anyone else's name on the side of it.

    I'm not buying the name. I'm buying a 1911-pattern pistol.

    Like I said, mine has worked fine so far. It's not functionally bad. But it is disappointing that I will have to use some proprietary parts to keep it running or modify it, when another vendor's mil-spec-lookin' 1911 pistol would have let me use the plethora of 1911 aftermarket bits.
     
  13. S&WMP45

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    call para to confirm the hand fit slide to frame if you'd like. there is an online review that mentions the hand fit slide to frame too, but i forgot the website.

    this is not an expensive procedure considering the other cost cutting measures, cast slide and frame, plastic trigger/mainspring housing. it's just that para put more effort into reliability and accuracy on the gi expert than other things (like pretty grips for example).

    but like i said, if you don't believe me call para and talk to a gunsmith, they'll confirm it:)
     
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    Didn't like mine and sold it.
     
  15. S&WMP45

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    sold what, and why? i little info would help lol
     
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    Uhhh... Maybe the gun in the thread title just maybe...
    And I sold it because the parts were cheap the gun was inaccurate and I found my Springfield I already had to be a better firearm.
     
  17. S&WMP45

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    how are the parts cheap? did any break?
     
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    With all due respect, you made the statement, I shouldn't have to back it up. All hand fitting is expensive. It would make much more sense to fit a match barrel bushing, which would yeild a far greater increase in accuracy, than the slide/frame fit.
     
  19. Oro

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    Schmeky, see SCBradley's post #3 above!
     
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    Oro,

    You're right, thanx for setting me straight.:eek:
     
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    I tend to think of the "GI Expert" as an odd duck.

    They need to make up their mind, and either put on a real beavertail with the commander hammer, or stick with the original style grip safety with GI spur hammer. The quasi-GI grip safety with commander hammer is just a strange looking configuration, in my opinion.
     
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    Ive had my share of 1911 drama over the years. Two people own the same make and model and 1 is tight, accurate and reliable while the other is loose, inaccurate and unreliable, etc, etc, etc. I currently have 2 Kimbers with multiple issues and after several trips back to the factory, I still don't trust them enough to carry. I know several people who save the same models as me that have no issues. That being said, I have had absolutely no problems with my GI Expert.
     
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    The cheap plastic grips broke and the finish wore off on the guide rod retainer cap after one shooting session. Also the slide stop finish wore off after the first few dissasemblies.
     
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  24. S&WMP45

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    i've not experienced anything like that, mine's been great.:D
     
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  25. S&WMP45

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    oh and the para does have a fitted match bushing too, and no, it's not that expensive. (i've only seen a bushing fitted this perfectly on higher end models)

    no ones asking anyone to prove anything here lol (we're not in court), you can verify it yourself-or not, i doesn't matter to me, SCHMEKY
     
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